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The Philosopher's Diet (general dietary wisdom thread)

anon_sabw said in #1612 1y ago: received

I've never been tempted to take the peat pill. I get my diet advice from Plato, Tacitus, and ibn Khaldun: the Guardians should eat simple diet of roast meat and avoid allowing Corinthian girlfriends to feed them decadent food. The ancient Germans were strong and virtuous because they ate wild meat, wild berries and fruit, and copious amounts of milk. The strongest and healthiest people known to the medieval arabs were those of the desert tribes who ate milk, meat, and long fasts. If we do our own survey especially of what is known specifically in North America, we see that the strongest (with historical anecdotes verging on the superhuman) tribes grow up eating buffalo meat and chewing buffalo leather (pic related: chief wolf robe has superhuman facial development due to good diet). The closer you can approximate these sorts of things, the healthier you are. I call this "the philosopher's diet" because it seems to be the consensus of serious philosophers across many different historical societies. I should write it up into an article some time.

This backs up what the modern alt-wisdom has settled on which is lots of animal foods (meat, fish, organs, eggs), some fruit and tubers like carrots, and (if you have that steppe ancestry) lots of milk. Absolute minimum of modern garbage with no positive historical attestation like seed oils, white flour, refined sugar, and soy.

Plenty of theory too on why man should be expected to be a foraging carnivore and not a grainoid. I'll let the comments expand on all that.

The corinthian girlfriend problem is probably the hardest aspect of all this. Women seem to love to bake things, and even if they use good ingredients, the ingredients are at best organic flour and brown sugar which are both suspect. It's very hard socially to avoid soft decadent foods, especially with kids. How do we raise our kids to have jawlines like chief wolf robe and the physical constitution of a desert Arab who can leap 20 feet in a single bound.

(The subject of diet and good food came up in the blood and soil thread (>>1607 >>1605 >>1602 >>1600 >>1599), and some of the fringe diets that people have explored to cope with the poisonous nature of default American diet. I was talking to a woman the other day who is grappling with this stuff and I realized in our sphere we have a great deal of wisdom about diet backed up by overwhelming historical and scientific evidence and first-principles theory. I wanted to start a thread for general discussion of dietary wisdom)

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anon_kwka said in #1628 1y ago: received

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My suspicion is that the diet discourse has the pitfall of potentially acting as an amorphous fill-in for more easily neglected factors related to optimum breeding: ones daily physical regimen, the effect of an individual's place in the social hierarchy on their physiology (cortisol levels etc).

Let's take your run-of-the-mill UMC white teenager. In all probability, what is likely the actual missing ingredient to turn him into more of a nasty physical beast? My guess: a strict physical training regimen + the opportunity (or being forced) early and often to express healthy levels of aggression\his ownership of space.

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anon_sabw said in #1632 1y ago: received

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Physical training as the most acutely missing ingredient between people who are basically healthy and peak humanity. In all the texts I cited in OP the best wisdom comes along also with a culture of bodybuilding and militarism. The diet becomes about how to properly feed that and what kind of diet is natural to that. But the diet is immensely important and many people are wrecking themselves by eating trash out of ignorance and I discipline. The ignorance at least can be corrected if the subject is willing.

As for how to achieve the physical social peak environment, the obvious is sports, but that doesn't quite get far enough. Young men need to be members of a free war-band mannerbund. College fraternities are another approximation. Actual military officer careers used to be a much closer approximation but I don't know if it's any good today.

The elephant in the room is that this kind of social position/environment is very much "not allowed" by various powerful factions of senile women (and aspiring women). Such a (training) regime would be necessarily politically revolutionary in character. Certainly worth planning for, but currently as they say "regime complete". Thus philosophy radicalizes.

Though worse, the people you would want in such a training regime to make it viable are broadly speaking bought off and comfortable in their slavecoin cages. Few can comprehend peak life and fewer still even want it. No reason not to go for it, but this is going to be a heavy lift.

Until then, we will cope with our diets and philosophy books.

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anon_ryze said in #1640 1y ago: received

I've observed that married men are most often derailed by the efforts of their women. This is most often conducted with love. I have an example: A friend's wife, fearful that he was not eating enough vegetables, made him delicious trays of oatmeal cookies spiked with pureed spinach, kale, and chard. There are other temptations, as well. She might be watching her diet all week for an indulgent Saturday night dinner out; he is just trying to get by, eating whatever is put in front of him.

I sit down for dinner with my wife and son, but I don't always eat what they eat. While keeping trim, she can eat a diet of carbohydrates, minimal fat, and lean protein (maybe this is what they mean by human biodiversity: I would balloon on this diet, while she thrives). My son, who runs and lifts weights on days he doesn't play judo or swim, is granted unlimited calories, with his already generous meals (the rice and fish my wife eats) supplemented with whole milk, butter, bread, and meat from my plate.

I am happy to select from a limited menu of meats and vegetables, prepared simply. I like to cook; I usually make them for myself, but my wife can competently prepare them, too. I lift and run sprints with my son, but I couldn't say I'm particularly active. I eat strictly enough to afford occasional meals out.

I wish I had figured these things out much earlier. I was the result of parents raised poor in a large families, who worked too many hours. I ate a lot of Pop-tarts. Out of necessity, I learned to cook, but it took until I was in my thirties to understand how to feed myself.

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anon_hugw said in #1644 1y ago: received

One of my biggest frustrations is that people are quick to seek nutritional advice when nutritional self-experimentation is incredibly easy.

People should gather a handful of empirical facts about their own diet and body before they take the plunge into theory world.

The natural slave reveals himself so quickly when he turns to Twitter before trying an elimination diet or similar approach.

That being said, when heuristics are needed appealing to the lindy principle or walking away from the “standard American diet” won’t do anyone any harm.

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