anon_codi said in #3269 4d ago:
I'm not sure what percent of this board is supportive of White identitarianism/nationalism (a survey would be interesting), but even if only as a theoretical exercise: It is undeniable the power symbols have in unifying, directing, and coordinating a mass political movement. The Nazi's wouldn't have been the preternatural force they were without the sleek Hugo Boss uniforms and the big Swastika on a red banner. Not only do these symbols provide a sense of common identity which attracts new followers seeking a sense of purpose as part of a broader movement, but the nature of the symbols self-informs the movement as to who they are and what they stand for. The Nazi uniform is sharp, orderly and beautiful. The Swastika is an homage to their racial lineage, and the blood-banner and eagles reinforces the violent self-assertion of their interests... the psychologizing is well-tread and could go on.
Jokes aside, I am not Nazi sympathizer, and I suspect the majority of white identitarians aren't truly either. For the purpose of this thread, I won't get bogged down in a lengthy argument for this assertion, but in brief, the "suicidal empathy" of modern liberalism was able to take hold because by and large we are a uniquely empathetic people who struggle to view the world as racial chauvinists. Whether this is a genetic predisposition or a product of our modern upbringing is a debate that could be had but is beside the point. What matters (and what I am assuming) is that most modern white identitarians reach this position today not through an expression of racial enmity, but rather, something like a recognition that pretty much all that is beautiful and progressive in the world has flowed out of this one unique people that, for the sake of humanity at large, should be preserved, and as a matter of universal principle, should fairly be allowed to preserve itself as a homogenous community and identity. In contrast to the "racial contest" conception of Nazism, it is more like a "friendly neighbor" conception of homogenous nations living side-by-side peacefully as good neighbors, extending a friendly hand in times of need, but looking out first and foremost for their kindred.
This latter conception would seriously benefit from coherent symbology to achieve the aforementioned unification/self-direction, but also to distinguish itself from Nazism and the connotations those symbols have become laden with. Yes, it is cool to march around in all black yelling scary chants, but these symbols are not effective in and of themselves. They were effective at attracting support among a particular people at a particular time (a people raised in a glorification of militarism and Romanticism), but those symbols no longer feel to the average person 'glorious and strong' but are connotatively evil and representative of this violent conception of ethno-nationalism. We have to rely on symbols that to people in our society (as they *are* - not as we wish they would be) are connotatively good and representative of this "friendly neighbor" conception of nationalism we aim to bring about.
So I pose the open question: What symbology would be effective for regimenting this new ideology as a banner to rally behind, an image to project, and a sense of identity to foster? What good work do you know of that has been done in this direction? As the Swastika represents Aryan chauvinism, or the hammer and sickle represents the workers of the world united, what symbol best encapsulates Europeans in this new framework of a people proud of themselves and strong enough to stand up for their own interests/preservation, but not openly combative as the fascists were? Naturally, you can be quite broad in interpreting "symbols" - from literal symbols, to dress, behaviors, and so on.
Image is an MS paint doodle I put together as a prototype: "Good guy" colour palette, solar rays representing "enlightenment", Greek letter Phi as a throwback to our ideological origins (arbitrary letter choice, mostly just looked nice a circular to give a "sun" vibe).
Jokes aside, I am not Nazi sympathizer, and I suspect the majority of white identitarians aren't truly either. For the purpose of this thread, I won't get bogged down in a lengthy argument for this assertion, but in brief, the "suicidal empathy" of modern liberalism was able to take hold because by and large we are a uniquely empathetic people who struggle to view the world as racial chauvinists. Whether this is a genetic predisposition or a product of our modern upbringing is a debate that could be had but is beside the point. What matters (and what I am assuming) is that most modern white identitarians reach this position today not through an expression of racial enmity, but rather, something like a recognition that pretty much all that is beautiful and progressive in the world has flowed out of this one unique people that, for the sake of humanity at large, should be preserved, and as a matter of universal principle, should fairly be allowed to preserve itself as a homogenous community and identity. In contrast to the "racial contest" conception of Nazism, it is more like a "friendly neighbor" conception of homogenous nations living side-by-side peacefully as good neighbors, extending a friendly hand in times of need, but looking out first and foremost for their kindred.
This latter conception would seriously benefit from coherent symbology to achieve the aforementioned unification/self-direction, but also to distinguish itself from Nazism and the connotations those symbols have become laden with. Yes, it is cool to march around in all black yelling scary chants, but these symbols are not effective in and of themselves. They were effective at attracting support among a particular people at a particular time (a people raised in a glorification of militarism and Romanticism), but those symbols no longer feel to the average person 'glorious and strong' but are connotatively evil and representative of this violent conception of ethno-nationalism. We have to rely on symbols that to people in our society (as they *are* - not as we wish they would be) are connotatively good and representative of this "friendly neighbor" conception of nationalism we aim to bring about.
So I pose the open question: What symbology would be effective for regimenting this new ideology as a banner to rally behind, an image to project, and a sense of identity to foster? What good work do you know of that has been done in this direction? As the Swastika represents Aryan chauvinism, or the hammer and sickle represents the workers of the world united, what symbol best encapsulates Europeans in this new framework of a people proud of themselves and strong enough to stand up for their own interests/preservation, but not openly combative as the fascists were? Naturally, you can be quite broad in interpreting "symbols" - from literal symbols, to dress, behaviors, and so on.
Image is an MS paint doodle I put together as a prototype: "Good guy" colour palette, solar rays representing "enlightenment", Greek letter Phi as a throwback to our ideological origins (arbitrary letter choice, mostly just looked nice a circular to give a "sun" vibe).
I'm not sure what pe