You are an organism in an environment that contains free energy. What do you do?
We may pick out two extremes: * Nietzschean thermodynamics: utilize 100% of the free energy for your own will's ends. * Christian thermodynamics: utilize as little as free energy as you can, giving to others.
As applying empiricism to the natural world is the suggested standard of sofiechan, what nature actually does should be considered correct act. What does It do?
A critical mistake made by poasters who emphasize thermodynamics is to focus solely on dissipation and ignore flow. Dissipation must be less than or equal to flow--the naive approach sets the two equal.
We know that: > Energy flow through a system acts to organize that system. (Harold Morowitz) > Energy and structure are interdependent on every level. (Ray Peat)
Maximizing the flow of energy at least up to the maximum capability for metabolism and repair is thus correct for nature. Has Nietzschean thermodynamics thus won?
Not so, says Adrian Bejan of Duke University. He posits the constructal law of nature:
> For a finite-size flow system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve in such a way that provides easier access to the currents that flow through it.
To unpack this I'll quote "Design in Nature" at length here.
> Everything that moves, whether animate or inanimate, is a flow system. All flow systems generate shape and structure in time in order to facilitate this movement across a landscape filled with resistance (for example, friction). The designs we see in nature are not the result of chance. They arise naturally, spontaneously, because they enhance access to flow in time. > Flow systems have two basic features (properties). There is the current that is flowing (for example, fluid, heat, mass, or information) and the design through which it flows. A lightning bolt, for example, is a flow system for discharging electricity from a cloud. In a flash it creates a brilliant branched structure because this is a very efficient way to move a current (electricity) from a volume (the cloud) to a point (the church steeple or another cloud). A river basin's evolution produces a similar architecture because it, too, is moving a current (water) from an area (the plain) to a point (the river mouth). We also find a treelike structure in the air passages of lungs (a flow system for oxygen), in the capillaries (a flow system for blood), and the dendrites of neurons in our brains (a flow system for electrical signals and images). This treelike pattern emerges throughout nature because it is an effective design for facilitating point-to-area and area-to-point flows. Indeed, wherever you find such flows, you find a treelike structure.
From the assumption that flow systems provide easier access to currents, Bejan derives several equations relating an organism's mass, size, organ size, metabolic needs, speed, and so on. These equations match empirical measurements. Then: nature prefers systems that do not dissipate 100% of available free energy, but prefer ones that distribute it to others.
We can see a similar argument being made by Wolf in his anti-singleton essays. If nature preferred that systems which persist in time maximize energy dissipation, we would see the tendency for singleton entities to arise and dominate. Nature is not like that: it prefers to create complex societies that make flows easier to access. The best configuration for enabling this kind of flow is treelike, which implies both hierarchy and rhizome. This hierarchy exists because the root enables the maximization of flow to its subjects. A Gnon-fearing monarch is not an extractive lord, his pleasure is a brutal ordering of easier flow.
This also calls into question the assertion made in >>3870 by gotzendammerung: > The insight of Landian accelerationism is that the divergent positive feedback loops dominate the overall behavior of the system and always beat the negative feedback loops.
A flow system is fundamentally limited by the capacity for input flow. It is true that flow systems will use that input flow to grow until all capacity is being utilized. However, if a system is to persist in time it cannot utilize all free energy for itself: this will cause the ecosystem that supports this flow system to wither and die. Even worse is when the system consumes its children in a pursuit of positive feedback beyond what the input flow allows. The negative feedback systems from above (in capping input flow) and below (in requiring access to flow) vector where the positive feedback of growth can actually go.
Yes, maximize energy flow into a system to create structure while ensuring that the structure does not destroy the incoming flow.
A country that allows people to independently organize has greater total power than one where the state is the sole organizer, even though independents may not be as tightly controlled.
If you're a lord, maximize the wellbeing of your serfs so they can continue producing value instead of cannibalizing them.
These principles seem quite common and generalizable. Someone spending too much on consumptive goods is maximizing structure given current flow while ignoring the investment in structures that make money (more flow). In each iPhone-1600-o-matic wielder we thus have a mini-Nietzsche. (I doubt that he would be dumb enough to do something like maximize power while ignoring limits)
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The base case of an isolated environment is maximum entropy and minimum energy (Gibbs). If we're all trapped inside a cooling box, I don't think one's last act would be to hoard everything for themselves before a certain death. I feel this Christian giving can only happen easily in your last moments when you lose all ego, free from the pretenses of life.
Focusing on dissipation while ignoring input flow is an issue I have with exercise regimes. They do not consider the flow of energy into a person, only that people exercise at rigid and routine intervals. When I have enough energy, I naturally exercise; I simply cannot feel that I should sit still.
>>4187 >>4186 Your two extremes are both absurd. But they are effective caricatures for stupid tendencies in the respective philosophies. Let's see if we can synthesize.
It's a caricature of Nietzsche to reduce him to an edgy satanist that wants you to worship your own will. What even is your own will? Where do those ends come from? The pure amoral selfishness that some people try to get from Nietzsche doesn't make any sense because it lacks any appreciation of the role of the self in a larger order (love God) or for the necessity of cooperation by sub-selves in larger games (love your neighbor). The self can't actually be well-defined without these.
The "Christian" approach is equally insane. Let's take it seriously: live entirely for others. Dissolve and neglect yourself utterly so that murderers can be blessed with your forgiveness (and money) when they kill your children. Don't laugh; this is what many "Christians" actually believe. This is no way of life, it's a reprehensible abdication of life. Add even a little bit of instrumental justice or personal responsibility and the whole thing collapses: you need to defend yourself and accrue resources to care for those under your charge. You need to *not be like that* so that your loved ones can trust you not to turn the other cheek when you are supposed to defend them. Allow even a bit of strategic thinking and convergent instrumentality re-derives the primacy of self in practice. God didn't organize the entire order of life around the principle of self so that Christ could abolish it; Christ spoke in absurd parables so that people would stop being so literal.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin attempts the most convincing synthesis I've seen. He interprets love as the quasi-physical binding force of life. Love is when smaller pieces of living consciousness find a way to work together in a greater whole that puts each piece in its service. The body is like this with its parts. The family is like this with its members. The mannerbund or society, too. But he emphasizes that the individual selves must also retain their identity and dignity in this. The hierarchy didn't like this because it took Christian love out of the domain of life-denying priestly absurdities and turned it into a matter of rational biology, courage, and reciprocity. I think he was right. Teilhardian love is a great correction to the "Christian" self-annihilation error and also the overly selfish interpretation of Nietzsche.
>A lightning bolt, for example, is a flow system for discharging electricity from a cloud. In a flash it creates a brilliant branched structure because this is a very efficient way to move a current (electricity) from a volume (the cloud) to a point (the church steeple or another cloud).
You can argue that a lightning bolt finds an efficient path, but let an arc run for any amount of time and it's no longer efficient; it will bend and twist and meander out of shape as the heat and magnetic flux create divergent feedback loops. A river's course on a flood plain is likewise self-defeating, constantly complexifying out of any straightforward solution. So I think these treelike structures are not about efficiency. In biology they are, but I think there's another principle at work here in non-teleological dynamics. It's definitely related to the anti-singleton principle. No single self or singular globally efficient solution is actually going to work; nature or god has decreed always some backdoor where the supposedly optimal solution decays and redistributes its energy to feed the surrounding ecosystem of chaotic forces.
There's something there, but I'm skeptical that it can be taken as justification for charity. The good arguments for charity are about reciprocity between neighbors or being part of a larger cooperative body. The dissipative/distributive force is more a matter of the mortality of any dominant order against its derivative side-channels. That too has a Christian reading in how the mighty will always be brought low and the meek shall inherit the earth.
But reading the general tone of your article: your opinion is, I believe, to not be selfish and to consider others.
What I see in the real world: disabled and old people find employment difficult. No matter how much you try to put some people into structures, they end up destroying things and being a net loss. Some friends and associations are just not helpful.
What is to be done? Seeing people immediately starving to death is hard, so charity exists to give us guilt assuagement in that we make it seem these people chose to die a slow death by their own hand and inability. Show up at the shelter from time to time, a bit more ragged here and there, then one day they're dead on a bench. Someone *could've* saved them if they *really* tried but nobody cared enough.
Lots of people don't have the slightest idea of the concepts that govern our world nor are they capable. It's not interesting enough for me to discuss the latest movie with them. Sometimes they refuse to do things beneficial for them or even try to understand.
I tried volunteering. It just made me sad how big the gulf in life is. These people might not serve as any sort of useful input flow for your or my groups, they're sort of just farm for the homeless-industrial complex and like.
Your input flows are: money, community trust, knowledge, food, air. Your flows inward are governed by the communities, networks, schools, family, companies, and cities you are part of.
Your work on improving the structure: learning, buying material goods such as laptop, clothing, eating, building mental habits and skills, organization (mise in place) of things you need. Beyond the self: housing, apartments, gardens, roads.
Dissipation: attention spent on things not relevant, heat, friction in your tools and workflow setup.
Stocks: stores of what you already have, assets.
Minimize waste (dissipation), maximize input flow (otherwise you have no stocks and structure). Build the structure, increase stocks.
I read very valuable insights in here, really appreciate joining the discussion. I really agree with sole of the core ideas expressed in OP and others to follow; in particular with anon_dilo's >>4190
I decided to go with the river as a thermodynamic equilibrium system to illustrate my point on this, and how to solve it, mainly with classical scholastic ideas, nothing new (never is))
The river is not just a machine for moving water, it is also beauty, goodness, and truth in motion. Its survival is not indifferent to morality, its survival is morality expressed as structure. The Gnom, God, Creator of truth is also the source of good, so the patterns that persist in nature are those that harmonize with both survival and goodness.
A flow system that keeps its tributaries alive is not “accidentally charitable.” It lasts because it aligns with the deeper law: life is preserved through ordered generosity. The treelike structure isn’t just efficient, it’s just. That’s why tyrants who monopolize flows collapse, and why systems that give life downstream endure.
In this sense, Christian thermodynamics is not a sentimental exception to nature, it is nature seen truly. The moral and the fittest are the same pattern when you understand who authored the law.
Nietzschean/Barbarian/Pirate: utilize 100% of the free energy for your own will's ends.
Buddhism/Jainism/Socialism(of the modern leftist type): utilize as little as free energy as you can, giving to others.
With Christianity as a healthy balance between the two. Christianity allows the eating of animals while Buddhism promotes vegetarianism. Jainism goes as far as to promote veganism and I believe even walking slowly as to not step on any bugs. Even something as simple as being able to honor your mother and father and take care of your family takes us away from using all of our free energy for others.