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Why does North Korea produce the fastest and strongest men in the world?

jewishman said in #4986 2w ago: received

I was curious tonight how different people would answer this question: Why, despite having a population of twenty-odd million—maybe a few million more, off the books—do North Korean weightlifters capture a decent share of titles and world records? The 2025 World Weightlifting Championships medal table is attached. They don't only produce rare, outstanding individuals but quite impressive teams. See: "The Strongest Team In Weightlifting": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfunZa_4dlY.

As I see it, historical expertise is part of the story. Seo Sang-cheon and nationalist bodybuilders. Soviet influence. The Armenians and Georgians and Uzbeks are solid, too. But North Korea did not always dominate to the extent it does now.

Glorification of physical prowess by state and society. Mass athletics and gang fights in the black market. Hard young men. Young female defectors lament in interviews that South Korean men lack the muscles and swagger of the boys back home. But a lot of North Korean women hold world records, too. There must be a lot of young, hungry athletes with nothing else to distract them. Join the army, work as a sex slave in Shenyang—or go lift weights!

Some of it might be peculiar focus on an unpopular sport. The best athletes have nowhere else to go but the weightlifting teams.

But is that it? Even if their pandemic-era withdrawal from competition allowed more intense supplementation, the answer is surely not a superior doping program. Everyone is on the same gear. And even if the athletes are coming out of military-aligned training academies, the coaching doesn't appear to be different from any other serious team.

My imagination is limited, however...

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anon_datw said in #4988 2w ago: received

I dont know much and am just shooting from the hip: genetic proclivity, non-compliance with out-of-competition doping testing, government support for the sport.

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xenophon said in #4990 2w ago: received

>>4986
> ... the answer is surely not a superior doping program. Everyone is on the same gear.

Use of gear may be widespread, but being able to openly experiment and refine protocols may still be a significant advantage.

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anon_rycy said in #4991 2w ago: received

In beach volleyball Norwegian athletes were dominant because they had a boarding school focused on training volleyball, and 6'9 specimens were selected beach volleyball rather than e.g. the more profitable NBA if they were to be an American. I'm not sure the boarding school was government funded, but I figure it's feasible for a country to go all in on funding a specific sport at the cost of others to get medals.

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jewishman said in #4992 2w ago: received

>>4990
Right.

I wish I knew more about this aspect. I find it interesting that the North Korean athletes don't often fail drug tests. There are much worse offending countries. Russia. Ukraine. There were a handful for letrozole about ten years ago, but nobody recently: https://ita.sport/sanction/international-weightlifting-federation-iwf/ (historical cases: https://iwf.sport/anti-doping/sanctions/). That might be down to the testing frequency. Maybe they do have superior protocols.

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anon_hoko said in #4993 2w ago: received

One underrated reason the East Asian weightlifters do so well is their anthropometry is quite suitable to weightlifting. Most advantageously, they have short femur lengths. But short arm length also matters.

I’m not sure how many of you have spent a decent amount of time weightlifting, but squatting with the bar in the front rack or high bar position tends to be a lot easier with shorter femurs - you can more easily maintain an upright torso and your lever arms are shorter. Lü Xiaojun’s squat jerk would be near impossible with typical subsaharan anthropometry (very long femur, short torso).

As concerns muscle fiber types, I am not sure there are any real advantages here relative to several other people groups.

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