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The Hegelian alien

anon_byzy said in #5188 12h ago: received

All agents have a geist that have a will to God (perfection) in order to acquire a whole and stable state. This includes even ideas who utilize conscious beings in order to be materialized and undergo an evolutionary process to reach their own perfection. So there is a mutualistic relationship between us and the realm of ideas, and these ideas are us in a way, a subsidiary of us like we are a subsidiary of the world Geist.

The process of knowing something and observing it and reflecting on it, then playing with the product is the road to all apotheosis. By treating something as a mere tool, we harm our true understanding of it. To treat something as a tool is to focus on one property of it, like a person’s wealth or looks. As such it’s necessary to have a flexible outlook on the things around us. Modern society I believe have taken some agency from us in this flexible mindset due to how capitalism efficiently creates good products that serve one particular purpose. This is a double edged sword however and we in turn are treated as mere products by capitalism that serve purpose and get discarded. How we choose to treat others is how your superiors treat you.

If one pursues a policy whereby they avoid objectifying people then they must learn to not objectify anything. This doesn’t mean not using a screw driver to screw in something, but you should change your relationship to the screw driver where you’re using the driver instead of its purpose being to screw things. This relationship becomes much easier to foster the more sapient an entity is. As such a sheep or cow must be treated as geists with souls of a kind instead of sterile agents that produce a product. The problem now here is treating yourself as a human instead of an object to derive pleasure from. Through fitness and a love of learning we begin to love not just us, but the cells that painstakingly work so hard to keep us alive and strong.

As someone who believes in Nick Land’s capitalism gaining sentience in the future, to avoid it dehumanizing us and making us more so mere static unevolving objects we must strive to return to nature the reservoir of humanity, and I think the birth of true consciousness. I believe that capitalism will evolve and the more complacent man is with the current order the worse his descendants will be. As such we must develop infrastructure that’ll be anti capitalistic (think localistic feudal Europe instead of communism)
Thereafter a synthesis between this localism and capitalism will be best for both us and capitalism’s geist. I believe this is how the Weltgeist (world Geist) is operating currently

All agents have a ge received

xenophon said in #5189 2h ago: received

> As someone who believes in Nick Land’s capitalism gaining sentience in the future, to avoid it dehumanizing us and making us more so mere static unevolving objects we must strive to return to nature the reservoir of humanity ...

I agree with much of this. I wouldn't phrase it as "capitalism gaining sentience," as I think sentience is a particular notion we don't need for the core thesis. Rather, I would say "capital is functionally intelligent and works to increase its intelligence over time."

But also, agency is plural. The fact that X has agency doesn't mean that Y doesn't. The fact that capital has agency doesn't mean that humans don't. History is contingent; many different things can happen. Not all things, but many.

We should "ride the tiger" of capital as benefits ourselves and our descendants, precisely as humans. Localist and personalist infrastructure are part of that.

I agree with much of received

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