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Aristocracy and Nature

anon_naba said in #5330 11h ago: received

Can an argument be made that the ecological destruction that humans have done lies mostly with the turning of power from the aristocracy to the bourgeoise? While there are cases about how the aristocracy led to the extinction of some animals (like some for their plume feathers), the general ethos of the aristocracy (meaning the best rulers in Latin) is that they are the protectors of society, and in many cases upholders of a world that heaven, God, or another spiritual entity has created. With the bourgeoise taking power in 19th century Europe this might have changed with the capitalists holding no allegiance to protect anything other than their interests, leading them to freely destroy the environment (leading to events such as the great stink in England).

Note I’m not saying that not saying that the medieval nobles are these nature loving hippies who danced in circles around trees wearing flower crowns, but that at least the claim of their purpose in society prevented them from engaging in similarly atrocious behaviors as the bourgeoise in the Industrial Revolution.

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anon_dahu said in #5331 9h ago: received

Absolutely not. The process of industrial intensification, acceleration, population growth is fundamentally technological not political.

The solutions are also largely technological. The transition from coal and oil to solar, nuclear and battery, for example, is leading to both ever greater automation and to lower pollution and carbon intensity.

The idea that our lost European aristocracies were fountains of wisdom and good governance is absurd. They were sclerotic and thoroughly outcompeted by Anglo capitalists.

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anon_naba said in #5332 9h ago: received

>fundamentally technological not political.

The way society bred and supported capitalists led to their domination by technological advancement however

>The idea that our lost European aristocracies were fountains of wisdom and good governance is absurd

I guess, but then again their raison d’etre was to be of the best stock as the guardians to society. This mindset, while definitely not embraced wholly, regardless made them operate in a nobler manner than compared to the vaishyas or merchants. There’s a reason why they were despised as a class in China, Japan, and other East Asian nations, and it’s for how they hailed no allegiances beyond capital(along side other reasons like how they didn’t produce anything innately). The social and environmental deterioration in this age of Kali Yuga may be the result of the Vaishyas usurping power over the nobility and this valueless materialist age is just a reflection of the worldview of them.

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