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The Structure of Exoteric Ideology

anon 0x115 said in #1181 14mo ago: 55

Zero HP Lovecraft wrote a series of post called "Toward a Functionalist Understanding of Religion" that culminated in a proposal for a "Christian-Nietzschean" synthesis. I'm not much interested in the latter. However, in the first post in the series, he sketches a framework for generically analyzing most religions or ideologies. As we have been discussing ideology as part of an exoteric/esoteric framework, it seemed like the framework would be interesting to discuss.

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anon 0x115 said in #1182 14mo ago: 22

The first post, which contains the framework, is here:
https://zerohplovecraft.substack.com/p/marooned-in-the-deepest-darkness-993

You can easily find the second and third in the series if interested.

A summary of the framework is:

- Gnosis - the life-changing hidden knowledge
- Nemesis - the enemy who wants to hide it from you
- Ecstasy - the transcendent mental states that are given to the elect
- Taboo - the forbidden actions which those with gnosis understand to avoid
- Eschatology - a model of how the world will end
- Telos - a prescription for how to spend your surpluses beyond the necessities of survival

The first post, whic 22

anon 0x118 said in #1185 14mo ago: 33

>>1182
>Gnosis, Nemesis, Ecstacy, Taboo, Eschatology, Telos
This framework came up in a previous thread. See here: >>857

I guess I need to read this, then.

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anon 0x115 said in #1186 14mo ago: 22

>>1185
Argh. I'm sure I saw this at the time, only my brain is a sieve.

Someone even offered a mapping to Alamariu:
>> 881
> ... six points as I see them from the Nietzschean perspective, especially as articulated by Dr Alamariu

However, that thread was mostly talking about religion (which is fair enough, since that's the context in which Zero formulated it), whereas I'm proposing it as helpful for analyzing and structuring exoteric ideology more generally. I think the applicability is pretty clear.

(Off topic, but I don't much like where Zero ends up in the third post, on Christian-Nietzschean synthesis. I think that's the weakest of the three.)

Argh. I'm sure I saw 22

anon 0x11e said in #1196 14mo ago: 33

>>1182
I don't disagree with the most of what he writes, but ZHPL's stance feels criticism-grade rather than engineering-grade. I find this kind of stuff ponderous and boring. Always "let's see this from the outside" as a way to shit on various foolish believers (and he does a great job shitting on ecstasy and taboos), but not much sincere asking of what could have been framed as a set of essential questions.

Let's do the reframe and try to sincerely ask the questions:

Gnosis: what is the most important truth, now lost on most people and probably forbidden by the false regime, which if known reorients one's entire worldview and discredits all the foolish things the normies do and believe? This is our epistemic/ontological competitive differentiation strategy.

Nemesis: What and who is the essential enemy that prevents the good things from happening? What is the super-human principle behind this enemy and how can we combat that enemy? Conversely, what is the principle of the good people who we are allied with and by which we can judge and know our friends? This is our generalized political strategy.

Ecstasy: ZHPL says this is pointless masturbation, but maybe we can be less cynical and ask a generalized question, which is what kind of mental stance should we be seeking? Should we strive to be possessed by a particular spirit, or disciplined by a particular austerity and rationality? Should we be aggressive and willful or calm and serene? This is the question of spiritual/mental/personality strategy.

Taboo: Almost all real taboos I'm aware of in today's world are just lies, but there is a sincere question here: what are the implications of the true gnosis for correct action and speech which we mustn't violate and by which we can distinguish friends? Conversely, what are the false taboos of the enemy which we should be willing to violate to cut ourselves off from false idols and smoke out imposters? ZHPL's examples of the latter are good, and "all progressive taboos are lies" is a good starting point. This backs up our political strategy (nemesis) and makes it very psycho-socially real and concrete.

Eschatology: I don't believe in the end of the world, but we can reframe this as "crisis": what is the most decisive upcoming world-historical event for which we must prepare ourselves, and which we may be able to influence? This is our historical strategy.

Telos: ZHPL almost asks this sincerely: how should we spend our surplus in pursuit of what really matters in life, or for our form of life? This can be fully transcendent, or can be something non-obvious but materially advantageous in the long run, or entirely ambiguous between those. You probably have to be willing to pursue the transcendent to carry out what is actually a fully rational materialist teleology.

These questions I am actually very interested in. I want to know the answer, I want to articulate my current answers and really study and believe them.

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anon 0x115 said in #1207 14mo ago: 22

>>1196

I like this reframing. It's very much in the spirit of what I was thinking when I (re)posted the reference.

I like this reframin 22

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