anon 0xc9 said in #963 1y ago:
(https://pimlicojournal.substack.com/p/against-oriental-anti-feminism)
Against Oriental Anti-Feminism
anon 0x146 said in #1261 13mo ago:
The article states:
"The same is true of the virtues — feminine virtues cannot be a separate type of virtue from masculine ones, and still be virtues"
--But why is this true? All sorts of virtues are only virtues in their respective social roles? Why is that different here?
"The same is true of the virtues — feminine virtues cannot be a separate type of virtue from masculine ones, and still be virtues"
--But why is this true? All sorts of virtues are only virtues in their respective social roles? Why is that different here?
The article states:
anon 0x147 said in #1262 13mo ago:
>>1261
I couldn't fully decode that part even on a second reading, but I think he's criticizing specifically the family-oriented trad-wife morality that many attribute to women (which he also attributes to effeminate and backwards third-world men). He's claiming that the cottagecore family ideal is simply incompatible with modern or vitalistic civilization and is thus not a separate sphere of virtue but rather a contradictory anti-virtue.
There's something there, but it's unclear how one would do family at all on his pattern. There better be children if any society is to survive, and someone has to raise them. Usually this is their mother and relatives in the home until they are old enough to enter public institutionalized training as individuals. But if they are raised in a private home, there must be virtues and people specific to that home. As he mentions, the Athenian pattern (and much of western civilization) solved this by segregating a female home sphere from a male public sphere. He rejects this for some reason I don't understand. Something about the modern world not being compatible with this.
I think he's actually just a hardcore political Platonist. I see no other way to interpret what he's saying but that male and female guardians must be trained the same way and be primarily individual members of the state and thus wives must be held in common and children raised by the state. This is exactly Plato's argument in Republic.
We could do more exegesis. I think at the very least he's raising an important question: how exactly do male and female virtues relate to each other and public/private life? How are families and children to work with the state and public life? Is private life inherently lesser to public life?
I couldn't fully decode that part even on a second reading, but I think he's criticizing specifically the family-oriented trad-wife morality that many attribute to women (which he also attributes to effeminate and backwards third-world men). He's claiming that the cottagecore family ideal is simply incompatible with modern or vitalistic civilization and is thus not a separate sphere of virtue but rather a contradictory anti-virtue.
There's something there, but it's unclear how one would do family at all on his pattern. There better be children if any society is to survive, and someone has to raise them. Usually this is their mother and relatives in the home until they are old enough to enter public institutionalized training as individuals. But if they are raised in a private home, there must be virtues and people specific to that home. As he mentions, the Athenian pattern (and much of western civilization) solved this by segregating a female home sphere from a male public sphere. He rejects this for some reason I don't understand. Something about the modern world not being compatible with this.
I think he's actually just a hardcore political Platonist. I see no other way to interpret what he's saying but that male and female guardians must be trained the same way and be primarily individual members of the state and thus wives must be held in common and children raised by the state. This is exactly Plato's argument in Republic.
We could do more exegesis. I think at the very least he's raising an important question: how exactly do male and female virtues relate to each other and public/private life? How are families and children to work with the state and public life? Is private life inherently lesser to public life?
I couldn't fully dec
anon 0x149 said in #1265 13mo ago:
>>964
The closest approximation to his target in the contemporary world that I can think of would be the family-owned small business in which the wife directly participates. Could be a law firm or medical practice as well as a more conventional business.
As soon as you get to a public corporation or really any large corporation, division of labor takes over in ways that run against the grain of this target.
The closest approximation to his target in the contemporary world that I can think of would be the family-owned small business in which the wife directly participates. Could be a law firm or medical practice as well as a more conventional business.
As soon as you get to a public corporation or really any large corporation, division of labor takes over in ways that run against the grain of this target.
The closest approxim