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Anonymous 0x157
said (9mo ago #1282 ✔️ ✔️ 89% ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1290:

Talent pool for the next regime

There do not seem to be many places in America for someone to become worthy of power. I do not buy that becoming a minor merchant aristocrat by founding an enterprise SaaS company makes one fit to govern. The military seems to be culturally compromised. Suppose you don’t buy the Moldbuggish line that the current elite are basically competent and just need a cultural software update. Where are dissidents expecting to develop this talent?

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Anonymous 0x15c
said (9mo ago #1287 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1290:

I don't believe current elites are basically competent. I think we have strong reason to believe that the median Harvard graduate of 2024 is much less competent than that of 1940.

I think we have no better alternative than institution-building, starting small. This doesn't look like "build another Harvard," at least not on day 1, although it could be educational. Nor does it look like "build a enterprise SaaS company," although something interesting might incidentally fit that description.

We need to target achievable chunks of functionality that can be replaced piecemeal.

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Anonymous 0x15d
said (9mo ago #1289 ✔️ ✔️ 90% ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1297 >>1302:

I think you're right about software. In "Competition for Power", Mr. Burja writes:

>the best places to gain owned power are new, undiscovered places. Old sources of owned power will become better known and more competitive, and frequently the resources available there will dry up. This phenomenon is especially apparent within great centers of power like Washington D.C. today or Rome during the time of Caesar. As a result, the best places to gain owned power will be far from the center and frequently not prestigious. For example, despite being a much better route to owned power, moving to Texas to compete in the burgeoning oil industry was less prestigious than competing in finance in New York or politics in D.C. at the time.

Bay Area software was a good place to build power until about 2010 or 2015. Some people used that as a springboard to build significant empires that go beyond the merchant aristocrat thing. But since then it's been politically locked down, at basically the same time that it became a prestigious and widely-recognized center. It'll still produce merchant aristocrats, for now, but I doubt we'll see much more than that.

One angle that seems promising to me is building out legitimate, legible markers of intellectual superiority from the better corners of online discourse. Academia is an epistemic tire fire, but it can't be displaced until normies have some other answer to "So then which eggheads *do* I listen to?", because the psychological need for consensus will keep *something* occupying that slot in people's minds. Among the best marginal communities online, you can find better thinkers, but they're disorganized and illegible. Using this as a foundation for something which can bear the weight of public intellectual legitimacy is a massive task, but it's one that I fantasize about, sometimes.

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Anonymous 0x15e
said (9mo ago #1290 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1295 >>1618:

>>1282
The merchant elite especially in silicon valley is so obviously incapable of the slightest political virtue that I fear you're right OP. No new political energy from that quarter, though maybe one or two will break from the herd as Peter Thiel did.

>>1287
This anon is exactly right. Institution building is the game. Act politically and build new power infrastructure in small ways. Intellectual circles, reading groups (read your Lenin), magazines (read Palladium), conferences, legal defense funds, think tanks, foundations, NGOs, social safety net infrastructure, and of course social media platforms. Much of the skill buildup is just getting the right network together and smoking out the bronze and silver souls while the golds get some experience with the occasional dramatic "fight".

This assumes a roughly bourgeois (or whatever this is we live under) pattern of organization continues to hold. It can't last forever, so we should also be inflecting our modes of organization towards whatever ought to come next, and doing a lot of the intellectual heavy work in that direction. Any changing of order is always a hybrid between the previous and next mode of organization.

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Anonymous 0x15d
said (9mo ago #1295 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ):

>>1290
>maybe one or two will break from the herd as Peter Thiel did.

I'm keeping an eye on Patrick Collison. His work on carbon capture is one of the most successful works of environmentalist industrial policy, and he ran it as a private citizen. He also jumpstarted Progress Studies, and while that clique hasn't lived up to its potential, the attempt shows an admirable will to power. I expect we'll see more from him.

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Anonymous 0x164
said (9mo ago #1297 ✔️ ✔️ 85% ✖️ ✖️ ):

>>1289
Good post.

There are some geographic regions today that seem to be somewhat interesting frontiers conducive to producing new elites:
Austin, Texas
Florida?
El Salvador?
The UAE?

A charter city of some kind might also fall in this category.

However, I think today the frontiers that will produce greatness are probably less geographic than they are concentrated in certain industries. This also seems to be what the Network State idea is really getting at. The internet has opened a tremendous opportunity for us in a time of decline, the likes of which has never been seen before historically. Establishing global communities using online networks might be enough to rejuvenate civilization from almost anywhere.

Framing of the tech industry here is interesting though. We still expect software to be the main source of economic growth, or what? Some interesting individuals came out of early software revolution and got rich, but I wonder if anything else is expected to make similar amounts of economic movement in the near future.

Texas had oil, energy remains quite profitable today, despite everyone claiming it is doomed.
Silicon valley had software, which some also claim is doomed due to AI.

Maybe neither will actually disappear, and maybe there will be no third option. Or is it AI? Is it deepsea mining? Robotics? Future is always very clouded.

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Anonymous 0x169
said (9mo ago #1302 ✔️ ✔️ 77% ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1338 >>1471 >>1487:

>>1289
>"So then which eggheads *do* I listen to?"
This is a great framing. Let's think it through, maybe start a new thread on the subject. Seems like you need a few things:

* first of all a crowd of actually smart smart careful thinkers. We almost have that.
* Then they need to cross endorse and be more or less rowing the same boat so to speak, having some common institutional home and legitimacy structure. We're not there yet with everyone having their own little niche and kindof disavowing each other.
* Then once you have that common authority, it needs to be protected and curated by legitimate mechanisms of selection so that not just any grifter can show up and appear to be part of the cool crowd. This we don't have at all.
* Then you need a public project that is at least trying to provide official answers to public questions and thus could bear legitimacy and could actually be an official perspective. This we don't have; the self-defeating dissident frame is a still too common, perhaps because we haven't reached that stage yet.
* Finally, you need common political discipline so that these thinkers can't just go wild and undermine their own collective project but actually stay within the new bounds that it establishes.

I tried with Palladium to cover some of these needs, and Sofie Channel here may develop other aspects, but we're still quite a ways from the overall engine actually running and producing power.

>We still expect software to be the main source of economic growth, or what?
I'm not convinced software will be a source of economic growth on its own. It can provide huge benefit to an industrial ecosystem, but I think future economic growth will be determined by who manages to maintain their industrial-social ecosystem the best. China is winning by like 10x on that. In the absence of a base of actual production to be optimized, software is basically a zero sum accelerant on media-propaganda power. It has and may still enable new power players, but economic growth is the wrong frame without an actual industrial base.

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Anonymous 0x185
said (9mo ago #1338 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1344 >>1354:

>>1302
>Then you need a public project that is at least trying to provide official answers to public questions and thus could bear legitimacy and could actually be an official perspective. This we don't have; the self-defeating dissident frame is a still too common, perhaps because we haven't reached that stage yet.

This is the part where my imagination fails most. Projects need people, and thinking and writing eventually falls from being half the battle to far, far less of the battle as action takes priority.

And where to gather these people? We’ll need some sort of social clubs (my brain is too poisoned not to sneer at the concept), some actual “third places” for people to feel they can make things happen and for them to gather skills. Of course, they might gather skills elsewhere, like by leading a company and building wealth but…

>In the absence of a base of actual production to be optimized, software is basically a zero sum accelerant on media-propaganda power. It has and may still enable new power players, but economic growth is the wrong frame without an actual industrial base.

As you point out, the best recent place to do this has been software, and still may be (due to the money being thrown at LLM applications). But it’s toothless for the reasons you state here and for the lack of political virtue among most existing players.

The push for “new industrialists” we see now, with “based” 23 year olds that wear the last decade of the online right like a skinsuit, does not give me great hope. The skinsuit is a sign of success, but the proximity to the old world of software-types and VCs means coming of age in an ecosystem that already lacks political virtue.

It’s hard for an entrepreneur to maintain any virtue. The market is a democratizing influence, you are constantly trying to meet the demands of the average consumer the same way a politician needs to navigate the demands of the average voter — surfing the latter is actually easier if only because the stakes are perceived to be lower (whether they are or not).

Most consumers want junk. Most companies want the cheap solution, which is not the domestic solution without the help of industrial policy. Selling to the DoD insulates some of these companies, but it means that they are selling into whatever current policy is, not influencing it. So how does this produce power players? The power players need to set industrial policy so we can build the base. The power players need to set foreign policy so the novel weapons tech is applied at a point of real leverage. Etc.

Palladium was a good approach. But everyone else seems to be encouraging young ambitious people to become techies, to go to SF or build a new community somewhere else or “the network state” — I’m starting to begrudgingly accept that the parallel institution concept doesn’t work, or only works as much as it support infiltration. I hate saying it, but do we need to encourage bright young people to head to DC instead of the JavaScript mines?

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Anonymous 0x15c
said (9mo ago #1344 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1346 >>1354:

>>1338
> I hate saying it, but do we need to encourage bright young people to head to DC instead of the JavaScript mines?

Why would one think DC is less powerful a vortex of conformity to local pressures than Silicon Valley? From the fact that "X is bad," it does not follow that "Y is better."

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Anonymous 0x18a
said (9mo ago #1346 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1354:

>>1344
>From the fact that "X is bad," it does not follow that "Y is better."

That does not follow, but I intended and failed to instead communicate that “signs point to Y > X,” at least in terms of national influence. What influence can a youth in SV hope to exert or learn to exert?

I am actually thinking of some of the points made in “Entepreneurial Statecraft” (https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/04/25/entrepreneurial-statecraft-gets-the-goods/ — do we have markdown here?) — essentially that the ambitious will not learn the alternative methods of coordination outlined in that article, will not develop that iron in them, by playing in the silicon sandbox of markets and Delaware Cs. Of course, as in the article, there are many locations and smaller projects where one can test their mettle, but everything ends in one city.

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Anonymous 0x190
said (9mo ago #1354 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ):

>>1338
>Projects need people, and thinking and writing eventually falls from being half the battle to far, far less of the battle as action takes priority.
Speaking normatively rather than empirically, that transition happens just after the key intellectual works of the new legitimacy frame has been established.

>We’ll need some sort of social clubs (my brain is too poisoned not to sneer at the concept), some actual “third places” for people to feel they can make things happen and for them to gather skills.
You are correct and you should oppress the part of your soul that is too poisoned to get excited about politically accented social clubs, reading clubs, hiking clubs, fitness clubs, and annual festivals.

>“based” 23 year olds that wear the last decade of the online right like a skinsuit, does not give me great hope
I'll say having met some of them that for the best of them, it's not a skinsuit but a sincere lifestyle. I count this is a victory. But yes you are correct that we're still too close there to the C-corp ghetto.

>So how does this produce power players?
Viewed optimistically, successful entrepreneurship is an optional first 20% of the cursus honorum of our ideal regime. It proves a kind of grit and organizational ability, and builds a base of material resources, social respect, and network of collaborators. The hard part is how to transition *out* of entrepreneurship and onto the next thing when you've been so formed and embedded in that reward environment for so long, and what to transition to? This is the real problem with entrepreneurship: it sticks to your soul like hot black tar. I think we will need to promote and esteem an anti-commercial spiritual recovery period as the following step in the cursus honorum. I never thought I would take inspiration from satanists, but you need to be approaching entrepreneurship like O9A approaches positions of social responsibility: something to be done successfully *and then betrayed for "insight" as a sacrifice to your true master*. About entrepreneurship the old (fake) quote about Voltaire refusing a second night of debauchery applies: once a philosopher, twice a sodomite.

>I’m starting to begrudgingly accept that the parallel institution concept doesn’t work
Don't be a weak hand, anon. It's working splendidly. The only problem is that not enough people are doing it, not that too many are doing it. You could also say too many people are following fake grifter versions ("the network state") of the idea instead of moldbug/BAP versions (antiversity, thousand statesmen, black ocean society).

Please consider that >>1344 is exactly right, and DC is even worse. All the problems of a twisted reward environment, but afaict with even less real virtue in the deal.

>>1346
Those with some inclination to one or the other will try to apply their talents and ideals in silicon valley and DC. It's our job as philosophers to repair and redeem their souls once they've been through those so they can go on with the real cursus honorum. Starting a powerful nonprofit has its own vices, but also is probably closer to the real form and seat of power of the day. I would counsel "based" entrepreneurs to do something anti-commercial in the area of philanthropy and nonprofit social activism as their next venture.

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Anonymous 0x164
said (9mo ago #1385 ✔️ ✔️ 90% ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1400:

> I hate saying it, but do we need to encourage bright young people to head to DC instead of the JavaScript mines?

I grew up in the Bay Area and moved to DC to study foreign policy in undergrad. I can tell you that for anyone with any new or creative ideas, the DC ecosystem is extremely lonely. Moreover, it is THE concentration of maximally power-hungry opportunistic Americans nationwide. Every time I have returned to the Bay Area, I have been shocked at how chill and openminded people are in comparison to DC. SF may be getting more parasites but I guarantee you, on God, it is far from DC level.

That being said, maybe a group of creative individuals being injected into the DC environment would be interesting and helpful. I know the Foundation for American Innovation has a DC office, which is pretty good. Trying to conquer DC institutionally is a better move than sending individual young men there to spiritually die.

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Anonymous 0x1b0
said (9mo ago #1401 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1417:

>>1400
The superior man makes whatever field he can find his training ground for greatness. The talented but not great man cannot be trained anywhere today, but is swept away in ambient degeneracy. If you think you can take on DC, do so and report back. Just know that DC's whole game is taking ambitious young men full of idealistic plans for national rejuvenation, and repurposing that energy for the perpetuation of the evil regime.

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Anonymous 0x1b3
said (9mo ago #1405 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1407 >>1408:

More recently, one of the more fruitful approaches seems to be going to the state governments of red states and just being agentic in pushing for various conservative policies. Joe Lonsdale, Christopher Rufo, Corey A. DeAngelis all are successful practitioners in this regard.

On the other hand, historically, Massachusetts has been a pioneer in progressive policies. Progressive programs that have been demonstrated to 'work' in MA were later scaled up nationwide.

Perhaps one should look beyond SF or DC?

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Anonymous 0x15c
said (9mo ago #1407 ✔️ ✔️ 80% ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1408:

>>1405
> ... one of the more fruitful approaches seems to be going to the state governments of red states and just being agentic ...

Texas seems like it would be a great target for focused elite replacement. Its electorate is such as to make this plausible, and it's large enough that success would actually matter.

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Anonymous 0x15e
said (9mo ago #1408 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1417:

>>1405
Good call. If you have a useful program, there are places to put it into practice.

>>1407
Replacement feels like the wrong frame for Texas. They seem to have a solid elite network in charge. Maybe they just need an infusion of new blood with new ideas.

But this thread is getting dangerously close to the electoral politics ghetto. An enormous stream of blood and treasure in plowed into electoral politics in general, and therefore with very low marginal gains. Unless you have a strong contrarian case for a specific campaign or approach that will do much better than the default, I would strongly caution against it. It's a bit like trying to play the market I think; consider that it's a zero sum field in which most participants are losing.

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Anonymous 0x1b9
said (9mo ago #1417 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1418 >>1419:

>>1408
When I brought up DC etc. I was more so thinking sitting quietly and patiently somewhere in the executive branch waiting to be useful. It's not very heroic from a narrative perspective, but there's a certain amount of blandness and rowing in the same direction that would be required to get anything like the Caesarist moment people seem to hope for.

It's not quite in the ghetto of campaigns and begging for votes but then again not as far away as what the parallel institutions types would like. The problem I have with the parallel institutions types is that they seems to be waiting for something like total institutional collapse more than they are waiting for the right time to make a move, culturally, politically, socially.

The difference between the two is the difference between "What shall we do when we win?" and "What shall we do if we get a second Trump administration?" I'm not knocking the value of asking the former question, but if it's all anyone ever asks it seems very easy to just encourage useful people to head out and make some money, sit on their hands, and write anonymous screeds to each other.

Another way to frame the question that hopefully gets rid of the "DC dimension" and any other ghettoizing verbiage: what and (geographically) where are the paths where you can pull some levers? Building wealth is known not to be sufficient, but is it even necessary? If not, what's so good about e.g. the Bay Area? Does it really have that sort of cultural influence still? Now, if someone were to say "build wealth so that your children can pursue one of these luxury, lever-pulling careers," I might come around. Where do striver children of the rich go, and why, and are they correct?

>>1401
>The superior man makes whatever field he can find his training ground for greatness. The talented but not great man cannot be trained anywhere today...

The first part may be true but is sort of like saying "stronger, more powerful guys can lift heavier weights" as though that means there is no point in efficient technique, but when the time comes to lift as heavy as you can, you'd like your strongest, most powerful guys to use efficient technique to really push the weight and bring home the gold.

The second part reads to me as doomerism. If they can't be trained anywhere today, then the point is to figure if there's a tomorrow and a somewhere that they can be trained.

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Anonymous 0x15e
said (9mo ago #1418 ✔️ ✔️ 79% ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1431:

>>1417
Great points. Waiting for collapse in incorrect. You are right that people hoping to be useful in realistic scenarios should be maneuvering into positions where decisions are made. The point of the new institutions program (as I see it) isn't necessarily to wholesale replace the current thing when it collapses (it won't), but rather to create the organs of coordination that don't currently exist that could back up and make use of having guys in seats with their hands on levers. Hence my emphasis (elsewhere on sofie) on magazines, reading clubs, fraternities, policy-study think tanks, NGOs, conferences, legal machinery and funds, discussion forums, and various forms of intellectual and political authority. Pick one or two of those things and start building. That's what I've been doing, in my small way.

>"build wealth so that your children can pursue one of these luxury, lever-pulling careers," I might come around. Where do striver children of the rich go, and why, and are they correct?

There are three answers to this. The first is that almost nobody converts wealth into power. The children of the rich go get upper middle class jobs pushing spreadsheets at consulting firms, earning salaries and trying to fit in culturally. That might as well be a joke. It is not worth working towards. The second answer is that families who do convert wealth into power do so by entering the Cathedral; they staff and lead NGOs, get upstream on some new dimension of fashionable ideology, do philanthropy, do journalism or academics, enter the service bureaucracies, etc. This is arguably the correct selfish choice these days except that the Cathedral is pretty busted right now as an incentive structure, subsists on lies, tends to make its people insane, and seems to be the enemy of much that is good in the world. Maybe it can be reformed from the inside? The third class of people is tiny, which is those who actually manage to convert their elite education provided by wealthy parents into more ideologically interesting and sane Cathedral reform or alternative-institution efforts. The best of these are fresh, honest, and heterodox, but have some kind of legitimacy, and don't compromise with the system of lies. There are very few such people, but they do exist and are probably the best path for the rest of us to aspire to support in their best tendencies.

There are also various endlessly tempting fake paths like becoming a conservative pundit or entrepreneur, which amount to various ways to give up the elite class position.

>If they can't be trained anywhere today, then the point is to figure if there's a tomorrow and a somewhere that they can be trained.

The key thing would be to build those missing training contexts. I don't think it's doomerism but rather a caution against believing that any obviously accessible path today will work as a way to train talented youth into the right kinds of power without either heroic vision or some asymmetric tradition of class culture.

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Anonymous 0x15c
said (9mo ago #1419 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ):

>>1417
> The problem I have with the parallel institutions types is that they seems to be waiting for something like total institutional collapse more than they are waiting for the right time to make a move ...

The correct version of parallel institutions entails building those institutions now, not waiting for anything. The discernment centers on where and how that can most effectively be done.

The objection to the DC option is that anything done there will not be parallel and will have a very strong tendency to get sucked into the existing games. That doesn't mean serving in the executive branch of a more favorable administration is necessarily a bad thing. It could be useful, in a more limited way. It's just not going to serve the same purpose.

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Anonymous 0x1c4
said (9mo ago #1432 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1436 >>1448:

>>1431
The organizations are either dox-equivalent or uncorrelated with this tendency. I can name some of the more publicly out people as archetypes, though: Let's start with some of the out-and-proud:

Yarvin and Alamariu both have great educations and a lot of influence from doing outright anti-cathedral work. They are less on the legitimacy side, of course. But they have done more to articulate real alternative worldviews than almost anyone else. Their problem is they both come from communist shit disturber families and don't like to occupy the perspective of legitimacy. Much more on the legitimate side we have people like Elbridge Colby, that guy who spends all day arguing in legitimate terms that America should drop Ukraine and Israel and focus on Taiwan. I don't know him, but he seems clear-headed, minimally compromised, and to be playing the right game well. I get why he's focused on a single issue in public, but I hope he sees the bigger picture in his heart. Another loud one is Rufo. He's playing maybe a bit too much of the conservative game, but he's playing it well.

Thiel is notable for being powerful in legitimate ways (facebook board, bilderberg) and also willing to fund things that actually build alternative thought entirely without promise of commercial return. He's a bit too libertarian and a bit too indeterminate (to use his terminology) in his bets. But if more people tried to emulate him in philanthropic behavior, philosophical curiosity, and moral rectitude (he has consistently refused compromising associations that would make him more acceptable to the cathedral) even with smaller amounts of money and intelligence, we'd be in a better society.

I won't name any private individuals, but they range from prestigious DC think tank staffers who write high powered pseudonymous essays in their spare time, socialites who consistently and effectively skewer and disregard Cathedral nonsense, secret philosophers doing the good work making what would otherwise be extremely woke high-prestige networks much saner and more interesting, retired bureaucrats who consistently support the others in this broad category, etc. There are many more but I only know a few, and depressingly few overall.

None of these people on their own is about to dismantle corruption and bring in a shining new era, but we'd be way, way closer to that if there were 10x as many such people and they had more organization and legitimacy as such. So one high leverage project might be to create some kind of organization or infrastructure that empowers these specific types of people, moralizes them as having allies, networks them more with each other, legitimizes them as having a real and needed program of reform, and inspires more people to join them.

On the margin, inspired by these people but applying to both them and to the rest of us, I would counsel this formula:

1. Be way more radical in your heart. Study the forbidden masters and martyrs of philosophy for their clear-eyed opposition to stifling regimes akin to this one.

2. Be way more legitimate in public. Public speech should be polished and always aimed at being the obvious bearer of the mandate of heaven.

3. Never compromise in speech or action with lies, fraud, corruption, etc. Doing things dishonestly for pragmatic reasons is a sacrifice of part of your soul to the enemy and destroys your relationship to truth which is your only value.

4. Do more philanthropy, and worry less about self interest. Support the allies of your preferred future out of your own treasury without expectation of return at a rate of 10%.

5. Pick big determinate-bet ambitious public projects to work on and carry them through.

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Anonymous 0x15c
said (9mo ago #1436 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1438 >>1440:

>>1432

> Yarvin and Alamariu ...

Doing excellent work, but preparing for remote rather than proximate regime change. (They would argue this is deliberate and necessarily so.)

> Elbridge Colby ...

Harvard and Yale Law. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under Trump. The grandson of William Colby, Director of Central Intelligence under Nixon and Ford.

> 1. Be way more radical in your heart. ...

Totally agree.

> 2. Be way more legitimate in public. ...

I'll admit I struggle with this one. Public speech serves a coordination function and reaches multiple, distinct audiences. Something gets sacrificed when it is subjected to a strong legitimacy filter. I stay away from trolling and deliberate provocation, but I don't say as clean as, say, Samo. (Maybe I should have created an alt and used different accounts for different purposes.)

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Anonymous 0x15d
said (9mo ago #1438 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1440:

>>1436
>Maybe I should have created an alt and used different accounts for different purposes.

This doesn't really work, unfortunately. If you get too big or just unlucky, you get unmasked. Someone leaks to the journalist, or the forum gets hacked by freelance spooks, or you accidentally reused a username and the internet autists track you down, or whatever. It's hit a few people in our circle. (This could get even easier in the future, if automated robot stylometry takes off.)

I use some alts, but I still keep them clean enough that it won't be a disaster if my mother reads it.

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Anonymous 0x1c9
said (9mo ago #1440 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1445:

>>1436
>>1438
Yeah it seems like precisely no one manages to hold up pseudonymity.

There is a role for characters like BAP and Moldbug who make their thing the cultivation of truth and radicalness rather than legitimacy. The legitimacy-maxxers need the out and out philosophers to work out the best uncut version of their ideas and inspire them to action. But even this I'd say can be usefully challenged to be done with more authority and legitimacy. If not acceptableness of the day, then the voice of God and the philosopher king. No one is more legitimate than a prophet, even if they are executed by the corrupt. The key is speaking from a position of absolute authority, rather than as a rabble rouser or plebian whiner.

>forum hacks

More platforms need to consciously build resistance to this and mitigation of its inevitability as their primary security concern.

>stylometry

This is harder when it's individual utterances without formal connection, rather than connecting a prolific pseudonym to a known individual. This is why actual anonymity is so important.

I also hope to build some counter-stylometry tools at some point that take your corpus as input and give you some kind of score for how identifiable a single piece of writing is as part of that corpus. Would be a great writing aid. "This word usage is highly specific to you. Are you sure you wish to speak in this way?" Note that this is directly derived from stylometry unmasking tools and progresses alongside them, but has the added advantage of access to your information asymmetry to concoct adversarial data poisoning and avoid getting fingerprinted. It seems very possible to run a decent defense against stylometry.

The problem with info defense in general though is that you're getting attacked from the future, which has access to better tools and tactical information about what's important and dangerous than you do. You generally get hit for mistakes that you made before you were even in the fight. I hear intelligence agencies are having a hard time producing clean identities and such for reasons like these.

But the best stealth defense is not to need too much stealth. Best to be able to handle being out and proud in whatever you are doing.

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Anonymous 0x15c
said (9mo ago #1445 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1447:

>>1440
> If not acceptableness of the day, then the voice of God and the philosopher king. No one is more legitimate than a prophet, even if they are executed by the corrupt. The key is speaking from a position of absolute authority, rather than as a rabble rouser or plebian whiner.

This is an important role and voice. It's not regime-acceptable at present, but neither is it trolling and shitposting. It's a third thing, with more gravity than either.

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Anonymous 0x1cc
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>>1445
The key is that speaking for the philosopher king is way more actually noble and legitimate, and can be taken way more seriously as prephecy when times change later, than trolling and shitposting.

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Anonymous 0x1d9
said (9mo ago #1471 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1475:

>>1302
>We're not there yet with everyone having their own little niche and kindof disavowing each other.

>>1135
>The thing/people that won the war is this corrosive financial post-modernity that subverts and destroys all distinction and aristocratic potentiality.

Is the thing subverting us? Can we do something about it?

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Anonymous 0x15e
said (9mo ago #1475 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1476:

>>1471
Yes the system is subverting us. It gets its stupid little memes and incentives and enforcement up every nose and consistently pushes you away from what would make you strong. Can we do something about it? I hope so. I do what I can. Some good speculations in this thread.

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Anonymous 0x15e
said (9mo ago #1479 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1481:

>>1476
strength means what everyone knows it to mean. It is the ability to apply force, which is the ability to overcome resistance to create motion. First and foremost, this is physical strength of the body, but also strength of the will, the organized community, ability to muster ones resources towards purposes, etc.

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Anonymous 0x1e0
said (9mo ago #1487 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ):

>>1302
It may be worth considering the types of social group, mostly of young men, that can be colloquially described as "crews". I think of these because they have names: you're in or you're out, you can use the sign/the tag or you can't.

There's a big player. They do great things. People look up to them. But they've been around for a while, they're getting old, they're getting lives, not all of them can make it their full-time job... and times have changed in ways they may not notice. The next generation looks up to them, but they missed the boat.

Someone else starts something. An imitation, maybe, or something completely different. But it's an in. They show up. They're a little inept. They survive or they don't. Eventually one will attract talent. Talent needs somewhere to go. Somewhere to cultivate itself.

The crew needs to make a name for itself. It can be more aggressive than the established players. It has less to lose. It doesn't have a legacy to defend. And the people in it *really care* about what they're doing. If it does, it'll be a magnet. It'll grow. It'll become more selective. Total losers will try to join, and they'll have to deal with them somehow. Initiation rituals. Invitation-only screener meetings. A constellation around it of the sympathetic but unaffiliated, who it can draw from, formally or informally.

But the key is forward progress. What's the next attainable goal? What's the next sick hack? The next place we could tag? The key is the shared sense of vitality, of cultivation of powers, of victory, within a tight-knit group with a common social setting and a shared high-level sense of direction.

I see two virtues of the intellectual approach. First, it's hard to find attainable goals that build toward a long-term direction, especially since what we are doing is not a well-defined art, and more reflection and search are necessary than in other endeavors. Second, it's a kind of practice on its own.

The failure mode that we (people who are selected for enjoying writing on the internet) are prone to is failing to make the jump from there to other kinds of action - building things together, not just discoursing. To row the same boat, you first need to make one. To make a boat, you have to talk about making boats, but it's a common trap to confuse talk and action.

As for the question of parallelism: will the government stop you from building a boat?

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Anonymous 0x1ef
said (9mo ago #1509 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1515:

> Where are dissidents expecting to develop this talent?

I asked Peter Thiel this question almost verbatim in late 2021, when he was supporting the Blake Masters campaign (which ultimately proved another of his failed forays into formal political power), and he said such reservoirs of aligned-by-default talent did not exist, and would be drawn contingently from the personal networks of each non-establishment actor.

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Anonymous 0x1ef
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The more important aspect is that a smart, billionaire backed, non-establishment conservative had no expectation of tapping a talent pool outside of his own laboriously curated networks.

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Anonymous 0x230
said (9mo ago #1618 ✔️ ✔️ --- ✖️ ✖️ ), referenced by >>1624:

>>1290
I feel like conferences are amazing thing for our circle to continuously do and are not too difficult to pull off. I have been to Urbit Assembly Austin, Miami, and Portugal, and they have all been great. Lots of good connections made and people met. Companies/projects often start after a few key people meet each other or are introduced to each other at them.

For those who have been, what are the Palladium Magazine releases like? Are there any other conferences that people here attend? Vibecamp/Hereticon?

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Anonymous 0x232
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>>1618
I've heard nothing good (and some bad) about vibecamp. Hereticon strikes me as too retarded of a frame to take seriously, and nothing has convinced me otherwise. The Palladium parties are great with lots of interesting people. Urbit assembly was great when I went (some years ago). I just went to a Mormon transhumanist conference that was surprisingly high quality. Conferences are definitely underrated but basically need some kind of sponsorship to work. Ticket sales never really cover the costs and effort. Still, we should absolutely be doing more such things.

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