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Ancient homonid populations ?

anon_zelo said in #3124 3w ago:

Are there any geneticspilled posters here ? I would like to know about your most wild and speculative theories about ancient homonids, hybridization events, currently living ancient homonids, etc ... I suspect Erectus walks among us. I have seen men like these come out of the shadows at night ...

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Are there any geneti

anon_nuso said in #3125 3w ago:

The scientific consensus is modern aboriginals are direct ancestors of pleistocene australians from 40k years ago, and have been completely genetically isolated. Just recently, the Willandra Lakes fossils were reburied in secret unmarked locations by hueman rights groups, forever destroying the possibility of genetic research. Lake Mungo remains as well. The reason they were preserved in the first place was due to the quality of the soil, but now reburied again, in unmarked and in hostile soil, the fossils will be destroyed definitely.

Aborignals are basically slightly above neanderthals. This raises question of what led to the unimaginable advance in some, certain forms of man... and how it can be furthered?

Archaic humans were on the level of apes and other animals fairly recently - some still are. So I think people vastly over value "conscousness"...is there such a thing at all? Most animal are on simmilar level of consciousness as humans. And I do not mean this in an antisocial "people are dumb" way.

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The scientific conse

anon_mufi said in #3132 3w ago:

**Background on evolution by punctuated equilibrium**

Evolution operates via punctuated equilibrium. Most species change only slowly, most of the time, because they are well-adapted to the ecological niche they occupy. A tiger is a perfect tiger. Deviating from the plan in any direction makes it worse at tigering and less likely to survive.

Occasionally, some change in the ecosystem punctuates the equilibrium, causing a period of rapid change. At any given moment, there are a few branch-tips of the tree of life undergoing such a punctuation, usually coinciding with speciation events where new species or subspecies come into existence.

The classic example are the Galapagos finches; a few finches from mainland South America were windblown far offshore, landing in an alien environment, where they rapidly changed to occupy niches quite different from those of their ancestors.

What's important to understand is that the pace change is extreme. In equilibrium, evolution is a *correction mechanism*, discarding almost all of the variation and random errors generated by genetic reproduction to maintain the exact same phenotype over tens of millions of years (for the horseshoe crab, 400 million and counting). Rate of change = 0. Meanwhile under consistent selection pressures in a particular direction, you can go from a grey wolf to a french bulldog in a few hundred years. Rate of change = massive.

**What this means for human evolution.**

Humans are the result of a recent punctuation. The broad story is familiar--our distant chimp-like ancestors gained evolutionary advantage from intelligence (possibly because of primitive tool use), triggering a runaway period of evolution toward larger brains, more sophisticated tools, tribal organization and eventually spoken language.

We expanded across the world to occupy new niches as a new kind of meta-organism that had never existed before: small tribes (generally below Dunbar's number of ~150) sharing basic language, culture, and technology. There's interesting scholarship on the ways this impacted our evolution, such as this paper by David Sun. https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2025-88410-001.html

The fascinating follow-up question that's taboo to study: which new selection pressures (and more pointedly, what additional evolution) occurred *after the advent of civilization*? Obviously the invention of writing, agriculture, and cities changed the niche we occupy & changed the fitness landscape of which people survive and reproduce. This is far more recent--roughly 10k years ago (while language-speaking, fire-cooking, hunter-gathering tribes existed for 50k+ years before that in much of the world).

The standard dismissal is that evolution "occurs over millions of years", etc. But we've already seen that the pace of evolution covers a wide range and can happen much faster.

The effects of civilization on human genetics have not been mapped in detail, but we have the tools to do so now. I predict that within the next decade we'll have concrete evidence of civilization-caused human evolution. The research will likely be presented euphemistically or in a way that focuses on less-taboo aspects of this evolution (eg. things like digestion & genetic adaptation to agricultural diets), but the full range likely includes cognitive abilities and emotional traits including impulse control, time preference, and more.

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**Background on evol

anon_bixa said in #3139 2w ago:

>>3125
> I think people vastly over value "conscousness"...is there such a thing at all? Most animal are on simmilar level of consciousness as humans.

Consciousness has nothing to do with this story. It's a complete red herring. The issue is intelligence and other cognitive traits. Dogs and cats are conscious, but that's irrelevant to emergence of modern humans from earlier hominids.

Consciousness has no

anon_bixa said in #3140 2w ago:

>>3132
> The standard dismissal is that evolution "occurs over millions of years", etc. But we've already seen that the pace of evolution covers a wide range and can happen much faster.

Dog breeding provides an existence proof that morphology can change greatly over short periods of time. We have St. Bernards and Shipperkes (a tiny Belgian breed resembling a Chihuaha) whose common ancestor is only a few centuries back. QED.

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Dog breeding provide

anon_bixa said in #3141 2w ago:

>>3124

You guys have seen this paper? It claims modern human resulted from a hybridization with archaic hominids vastly older than Neanderthals or Denisovans.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-025-02117-1

You guys have seen t

anon_qafy said in #3142 2w ago:

https://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html

How about monkey + pig = human hybridization theory?

How about monkey + p

anon_zelo said in #3143 2w ago:

>>3140
This was already discussed in 2009 book I believe. Does anyone know of any other current researchers pursuing the topic of accelerated evolution ?

This was already dis

anon_duxo said in #3152 2w ago:

>>3125
Why do you claim the aboriginals are slightly above neanderthals? Its plausible from cranial measurements that even average neanderthals were probably individually smarter than most of the smartest modern people (though less social and probably doomed by low-population lifestyles). Austro-abos meanwhile have some of the lowest cranial capacities. They aren't as small as erectus, but erectus himself was smart enough to do nontrivial seafaring a million years ago.

>>3124
To answer OP, i’ve got a few. Orang-pendek (mythical small furry indonesian biped) was probably real until relatively recently. Rama probably did exist, probably did have an army of ape men, and probably did build the land bridge to sri lanka (perhaps on top of natural shoals). He probably did so because the other guy had a navy of ape men. I also put some small credence in prehistorical cross-atlantic contact and “ancient aryans” type theories of why the natives here had white god myths.

A depressing one that i believe is that civilization is basically dysgenic, and most human populations are the result of prehistoric dysgenics programs and bred specifically to be wretched, stupid, slave-like, and criminal, because those make the best clients and otherwise become the dominant morph in the decisive end-stage (flowering and seeding) phase of empires. The few populations that escape this characterization were the product of deliberate eugenics programs from the less civilized intra-imperial periods and places.

In general though, while there are many fun things in the past, in modern times man seems to either breed like crazy or go extinct. Hard to imagine secret populations in present times. Many interesting things made it to the 20th century and then were snuffed out.

Why do you claim the

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