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Definition of slavery

anon_fymo said in #3144 2w ago:

What is the best source on the classical definition of slavery? Does BAP talk about this? Plz post excerpts and sources, thanks in advance

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What is the best sou

anon_toti said in #3147 2w ago:

I'm not sure of any specific sources off the top of my head, though I know Aristotle goes on about slavery for quite a bit in Politics, but I don't have a copy on hand. In Ancient Greece there were two main terms for slaves: Oiketes, a slave belonging to an oikia or household/estate. In this case the meaning is clear and in fact oiketes refers not only to the house niggas but also to any family members living under the roof of the head of the household. The other more broad term for slave was doulos, which meant slave more generally and defined one as being in a state opposite that of a free man. Wiktionary says this derives possibly from Canaanite, and I suppose Late Babylonian, translating to something like "one who serves" but I'm not sure and have never studied Babylonian or looked into the etymology of doulos before now. I'm assuming this question is because of the Bap/Hanania tweets, in which case I'd guess Bap means the word in this sense. "Slave" in modern context has become synonymous with the chattel slavery of the North Atlantic slave trade, i.e., bought and sold indentured servants with no inherent rights, but I think the idea of slavery could/should be more accurately taken as serving another's interests, perhaps without adequate monetary compensation. Though you could argue serving another's interests even for adequate monetary compensation does not make one free man, or that is, not a slave.

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I'm not sure of any

anon_kice said in #3148 2w ago:

Aristotle’s “Politics” books 1 and 2.
(Possibly Pseudo-) Aristotle’s “Oeconomicus” has interesting things on slaves and household management.
Moses Finley’s “Ancient Slavery and Modern Ideology” has good primary sources citations.

Aristotle’s “Politic

anon_zejy said in #3150 2w ago:

>>3147
> I'd guess Bap means the word in this sense [doulos]

I think the other way around. The example BAP gives is a traditional nanny, and that's clearly an oiketes. He also specifically states that it doesn't matter if the nanny is paid and legally free. It's the relationship that matters.

The context of his posts was impact on the fertility of upper middle class whites. He's talking about the structure of the household, and freeing those parents up from childcare and similar domestic chores. He wasn't talking about the use of slaves in, say, manufacturing. So again, he means oiketes.

I think the other wa

anon_sogi said in #3154 2w ago:

>>3144
My definition of slavery is based on economic and political interest abstracted out of your own ethnic community. I recognize that there are other definitions that are valid. We need many words for slavery like the eskimos had many words for snow. So here is mine:

the slave is someone you bring into your society from outside for their asymmetric tool-like utility and not on the basis of a symmetric peer relationship as people. This can be like the black slaves that worked the plantations, the irish slaves that worked the northern factories, the mexican slaves we bring in to vote and do shit work. This is distinct from the chinese immigrants who buy, scheme, or earn their way in, distinct from the Canadian Ismaili refugees who came in as a civilized, organized, agreement-capable group in need of help, distinct from what mcarthur did to the japanese, and very distinct from the scots who were brought into unified british society by formal equal union of crowns and peoples.

The vast majority of modern immigration is just this kind of client-slavery. It is defended by the left because they inherited the slave contract from the conquered south, and have thus corrupted themselves into the slavery game (they modified the terms from economic to political utility and individual to factional ownership, but the fundamental logic is same), which they have since repeatedly doubled down on in various forms.

In the “fuck, marry, kill” theory of ethnic relations, slavery is the “fuck” option. There are two problems with it: the first is that its a treason against your own ethnic community (which is the basis of your society). Its like scab labor. While it makes you personally rich by undercutting your countrymen, it causes so many short and long term social problems that its not worth it collectively. You think you are gaining something (more workers/clients). Actually you are losing something (your own social coherence and your collective ownership of the means of production). The second reason is that in the long run, “fuck” is fake (and possibly gay). You just end up with at best a crazy ex girlfriend (india), at worst a wife who isnt worthy of you. The slave population settles in your territory, transitions from economic to political work, and then becomes an ethnic shotgun “marriage”. Not the end of the world, but it is the end of respectable society for you. The solution is the same: don't fuck anyone you wouldn't marry. If you would marry them, do it properly by marrying your heads of state together. (The American president should have to prove descent from Amaterasu Omikami)

Slavery is always a fucking disaster sooner or later for the society that does it. Whether its a crime against the slave is beside the point. Its a crime against yourself and your actual neighbors. People sometimes say the gulf arabs are living fat on their pyramid of no-rights oil-money slaves, but mark my words they will regret it within three generations.

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My definition of sla

anon_zejy said in #3155 2w ago:

>>3154
> ... slavery is the “fuck” option. There are two problems with it: the first is that its a treason against your own ethnic community ...

Although note that the Greeks chiefly enslaved fellow Greeks. (Often from other cities, but not always.) The basis of their slavery was not primarily ethnic.

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Although note that t

anon_sogi said in #3159 2w ago:

>>3155
yeah greek slavery was often something different from what we do. They had a very different ethnic/caste/class system. Like I said, we need more words.

yeah greek slavery w

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