anon_gykw said in #3768 2w ago:
The Dark Knight: that comic book movie, yes, this is a post about capeshit
KWML: https://archive.org/details/kwml_20200814/mode/1up
What if the undeniable cultural power of Nolan's The Dark Knight is fueled by its exposition of Jungian archetypes? Namely as described in the book King Warrior Magician Lover by Moore & Gillette
Tl;dr this post is about a theory that
Commissioner Gordon = King
Batman = Warrior
Joker = Magician
Harvey Dent = Lover
But now let me explain why this is interesting. Each of the four main characters in TDK strongly embodies a malfunctioning shadow version of one of the four masculine archetypes. This makes these characters deeply memorable and realistic despite the fantastical comic book logic of the setting.
We humans are an imitative species and we tend to identify ourselves with characters we see on the screen, and even imagine ourselves as being them or doing the things they do. In most media this imitative instinct would apply to only one main character, typically the protagonist. But in TDK there are effectively four protagonists because of the way each character resonates with a foundational archetype within the viewer. This hints at what makes this film unusually powerful, but it doesn't stop there.
Next, we need to consider the plot. Gotham is a place of disorder, injustice, darkness and abandonment, essentially a living metaphor for the kind of world a weak and immature man allows to come into existence around him. The fallen state of Gotham stems ultimately from the absence of a true king - instead there is Commissioner Gordon who embodies a particular failed king archetype called the weakling. This is a king who lacks the kingly energy needed to bring those around him into line. In Gordon's case he literally cannot enforce the law.
For Batman, an immature warrior seeking validation, this absence is actually an opportunity for heroics, similar to the showiness of a headstrong youth heading out on his first hunt. Self-righteous, flashy, reckless, and ineffective or at least inefficient.
But these flashy heroics do have a consequence: the Joker takes notice and, embodying a failed form of the Magician called the trickster (almost literally the same word as joker), seeks to expose Batman's as a vain fraud. One function of the Magician is to criticize authority, and during the film the Joker implements a cunning and cruel scheme to prove that all authority is empty and that there is no distinction between right and wrong. The implication would then have to be that Batman is the real trickster, having tricked everyone into believing that he is good when there is no such thing. Without this crutch of self-righteousness and external validation, Joker expects Batman to fold completely, and Joker will return to the primordial chaos from which he emerged.
There is eventually a climactic confrontation between Batman and Joker in which it seems the Joker is proven wrong, as the people on the mutually stranded boats refuse to blow each other up, demonstrating an innate sense of justice. This is the moment the Joker plays his trump card, switching his line of attack from justice (represented by Batman) to love (represented by Harvey Dent).
Up to this point in the film Dent has been shown uniting people under one banner (king energy), openly targeting villains and corrupt cops (warrior energy), using creative and technical means to convict criminals (magician energy) and faithfully courting Rachel (lover energy). For most of the film he is, on the surface, the closest thing to a mature man we see. But Joker somehow perceives that this too is all for show - Dent does all this in order to act like the kind of man that he thinks Rachel wants to be with. In other words he is fundamentally motivated by an overactive lover energy - and therein lies his vulnerability.
KWML: https://archive.org/details/kwml_20200814/mode/1up
What if the undeniable cultural power of Nolan's The Dark Knight is fueled by its exposition of Jungian archetypes? Namely as described in the book King Warrior Magician Lover by Moore & Gillette
Tl;dr this post is about a theory that
Commissioner Gordon = King
Batman = Warrior
Joker = Magician
Harvey Dent = Lover
But now let me explain why this is interesting. Each of the four main characters in TDK strongly embodies a malfunctioning shadow version of one of the four masculine archetypes. This makes these characters deeply memorable and realistic despite the fantastical comic book logic of the setting.
We humans are an imitative species and we tend to identify ourselves with characters we see on the screen, and even imagine ourselves as being them or doing the things they do. In most media this imitative instinct would apply to only one main character, typically the protagonist. But in TDK there are effectively four protagonists because of the way each character resonates with a foundational archetype within the viewer. This hints at what makes this film unusually powerful, but it doesn't stop there.
Next, we need to consider the plot. Gotham is a place of disorder, injustice, darkness and abandonment, essentially a living metaphor for the kind of world a weak and immature man allows to come into existence around him. The fallen state of Gotham stems ultimately from the absence of a true king - instead there is Commissioner Gordon who embodies a particular failed king archetype called the weakling. This is a king who lacks the kingly energy needed to bring those around him into line. In Gordon's case he literally cannot enforce the law.
For Batman, an immature warrior seeking validation, this absence is actually an opportunity for heroics, similar to the showiness of a headstrong youth heading out on his first hunt. Self-righteous, flashy, reckless, and ineffective or at least inefficient.
But these flashy heroics do have a consequence: the Joker takes notice and, embodying a failed form of the Magician called the trickster (almost literally the same word as joker), seeks to expose Batman's as a vain fraud. One function of the Magician is to criticize authority, and during the film the Joker implements a cunning and cruel scheme to prove that all authority is empty and that there is no distinction between right and wrong. The implication would then have to be that Batman is the real trickster, having tricked everyone into believing that he is good when there is no such thing. Without this crutch of self-righteousness and external validation, Joker expects Batman to fold completely, and Joker will return to the primordial chaos from which he emerged.
There is eventually a climactic confrontation between Batman and Joker in which it seems the Joker is proven wrong, as the people on the mutually stranded boats refuse to blow each other up, demonstrating an innate sense of justice. This is the moment the Joker plays his trump card, switching his line of attack from justice (represented by Batman) to love (represented by Harvey Dent).
Up to this point in the film Dent has been shown uniting people under one banner (king energy), openly targeting villains and corrupt cops (warrior energy), using creative and technical means to convict criminals (magician energy) and faithfully courting Rachel (lover energy). For most of the film he is, on the surface, the closest thing to a mature man we see. But Joker somehow perceives that this too is all for show - Dent does all this in order to act like the kind of man that he thinks Rachel wants to be with. In other words he is fundamentally motivated by an overactive lover energy - and therein lies his vulnerability.
referenced by: >>3772
The Dark Knight: tha