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Reparations In Liberia?

anon_bwjo said in #4945 1w ago: received

The plight of the Negro in the Americas is one of the great injustices of the world. Forced by the legacy of slavery to live among oppressors who hate and fear them, the African diaspora has been in a miserable state for hundreds of years. The international standing and social reputation of the United States is also grievously harmed by this unresolved racial situation. We tried slavery, we tried segregation, and we tried integration, but none of these schemes have really worked out either for the benefit of the new world Africans or for their host countries.

This presents an opportunity for a president like Trump to solve or at least substantially repair the whole situation with a real and permanent reparations deal: Anyone with slave ancestry in the US and other participating New World countries may choose to receive reparations: a generous cash or annuity reparations payment on the order of a million dollars, citizenship in Liberia, and preferred opportunities in government or American corporations in that country; in exchange for renouncing American citizenship, the closing down of the US welfare state, and the reform of US civil rights law towards free association and meritocracy.

Liberia then would need to become the center of former African American cultural excellence and self-determination. I believe this could be made profitable for all parties if the former African American demographic is used as the vehicle for American interests in Africa. The new Liberians would secure the area for US military bases, provide a favorable legal and regulatory environment for American trade and business interests in the rich tourism, agriculture, and natural resources economies of Africa. This would be a useful counterbalance to Russia's and China's machinations in the area.

I believe with the right trade deals and institutional support from the United States, the new Liberians could thrive under meritocracy, gender equality, robust education for women, and the rule of law. The big priority institutions to create would be an elite meritocratic police force capable of bringing order to the country, and some kind of women's education and health initiative stabilizing obesity, unemployment, and fertility rates. I would hope the musical talent of Black America could be turned to promoting an aspirational lifestyle for African Americans in Liberia.

Imagine music videos with scenes of Liberian tropical excellence, beautiful Black women on peaceful beaches offering instagrammable pleasures and luxury, and orderly officers of the new force bragging about their exploits bringing order to Africa, all with a clear message of the good life and self determination for Black people away from the racial problems of America, just a short hop away via a one way plane trip Back To Africa.

I think the deal could be made very enticing for all parties, and would be politically popular across the political and racial spectrum in America. The American state gets a new geopolitical influence in Africa and a solution to the racial problem, White Americans get permanent resolution of the guilt and destructive consequences of the legacy of slavery, and Black Americans get a sweet deal and self determination.

If it got going and offered a successful model, I believe other New World countries would want to try their own version of the scheme. Brazil and the Caribbean area in particular would benefit greatly from this.

The key to the whole scheme would be its finality. Once it's done, it's done. After a short and pre-planned period of dependency as we assist in setting things up, Liberia and the former African Americans must achieve home rule and self determination, and demand nothing further from America.

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jewishman said in #4946 1w ago: received

Nobody in Liberia has clean running water. The necessary strains of separatist black nationalism and pan-African consciousness have been moribund in the United States for about a century, helped in part by the ongoing program of reparations. Those are not unsurmountable barriers!

As quality of life in America declines, I think a savvy businessman, if not the American state, could get a lot done with Afrofuturist advertising campaigns to promote remigration to Neo Monrovia.

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anon_qoqi said in #4950 1w ago: received

The undisputed classic on Liberia, highly recommended if you have not seen it already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

>>4945

I don't like this kind of edgelord shitpost. I come here to escape the pervasive stench of slop that permeates all other online venues. If you're going to troll it should at least be funny.

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anon_bwjo said in #4952 1w ago: received

>>4950
Yes much warlord, very cannibal. I'm sorry you don't share my sense of humor but as for being an edgy shitpost do you have some more serious and less edgy proposal for handling the matter of the blacks in the new world? Continue with extremely destructive and costly welfare state, DEI, civil rights regime, white flight, urban decay, violent crime, and race politics? Or perhaps you would prefer a return to the cartoonishly callous white supremacy that would be necessary to stop paying those costs? Cartoonish forced race-mixing? Genocide? I don't think you are taking the problem seriously.

Sure I wrote with a bit of a tongue in cheek liberal vocabulary but is there something actually wrong with the idea? Politically impossible? So are many things that happen. Don't put yourself in the position of enforcing the shitty status quo, but let's see what actual authentic opposition exists. Too expensive? The current situation has cost us many trillions and more in intangibles. Racially impossible for the blacks to participate in an orderly black society that would be more attractive to them than subjugated dependency, even with some help? I am not so racist as to believe that.

The current situation is an unsustainable one-way value transfer from a working society to an incompatible failed society that has found itself in a parasitic position. If the nicest and most charitable possible firm end to that arrangement is an "edgelord shitpost" well then we need edgelord shitposting and that's exactly why places like this exist.

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anon_qoqi said in #4954 1w ago: received

>>4952

It's not that hard. Just takes confident and competent law enforcement. Black crime was a huge problem in the 70s and 80s, then reduced post 1994 Crime Bill and Bratton, with flare-ups after Ferguson and Floyd. It was a smaller, entirely manageable issue prior to 1960. Yes, the biology is a challenge, but failure to deal with it is on blank-slate brainwormed woke city leadership, weak police, weak prosecutors, race-communist judges--all solveable problems of state capacity.

In fact, the failure to manage black crime effectively started in tandem with lots of other governance failures. Our institutions at every level--city, state, federal--are simply less competent than they once were, and this is the root of the problem.

"Pay $50 trillion to send them all back to Africa" is retarded. That's your actual number, do the math. Never go full retard.

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anon_qoqi said in #4955 1w ago: received

The other problem, of course, is that urban blacks are a Democratic Party client population. They exist in symbiosis with NGO grift as part of a larger system of patronage. The most productive avenue to solve this is to prosecute and dismantle that system.

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anon_bwjo said in #4956 1w ago: received

>>4954
is the sticker shock what makes it a shitpost? The US federal budget a couple years ago was $6T. What fraction of that is blacks and problems and expenses relating to blacks? Maybe $1T conservatively? Multiply that by 60 years since civil rights and you've got your $50T. And that's just already existing federal budget, never mind the untaxed costs. Ok its a lot to pay up front, maybe we do it for cheaper. But it's a lot easier to police things to an adequate level over there than here. Point being it's worth a very large amount to resolve the problem permanently.

Everyone loves to blame things on egalitarian grift and governance failures as if that's a free variable that you can just turn down and now the negroes are nicely subjugated again and we all go back to the fruits of modern society, but that's not how it works. The great migration (of blacks to the north) was a much bigger problem than you seem to realize, and was unavoidably upstream of the civil rights disaster. No amount of cartoonishly racist jim crow repression could or can keep things working, and neither can your magical ideas about just getting rid of the NGOs and fixing the police.

The dysfunction is downstream, not upstream, of the negro problem, because modern societies are substantially egalitarian by nature, far more egalitarian than you can get away with in the presence of such racial difference. It is not socially possible to achieve the level of inequality in enforcement that would be needed to make race relations between such different people mutually profitable. So we can either continue to eat the shit sandwich every day at extreme cost to our society, or achieve some kind of amicable separation reparation, even at great cost. Everyone keeps their dignity and freedoms within their domain if their people can live their own way in their own territory, but no one does if you insist on mashing us all together.

Maybe your idea is to deport the whole criminal subculture to prison bukele style, or systematically execute the most criminal 1% of the population every generation for 500 years like we used to do in the old country. Would that even solve the problem? The problem is not just criminal in nature.

As for crime going down, I've seen the murder statistics at least and I'll note that the post-1980 drop is better accounted for by better surgeons than better police.

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anon_gixe said in #4957 1w ago: received

I've mentioned this to the probable OP in a side channel, but I've thought about this for a long time. The BQ is upstream of so many other problems in our society that answering it would fix dozens of other problems. That said, while attractive on its face, "pay them to go back to Africa" is an idea that probably won't work for the obvious reason that it's been tried and found wanting.

The American Colonization Society sent freed slaves back to west Africa, the brought with themselves a copy of the American Constitution and what did they do? They founded Liberia, enslaved the natives, built a plantation economy and created an African version of the antebellum South. This sounds very based and trad until you realize that once the reality of life in Liberia set it, no freed slaves were willing to move there. Then roughly a hundred years later, the tribal Liberians rose up and slaughtered the Americo-Liberians, setting the stage for the Cannibal Warlords of Liberia (shown upthread).

Blacks around the world and throughout time would based on revealed preferences rather live as 3rd class citizens in White countries than 1st class citizens in Black countries. Who can blame them? While cutting off the welfare state is a good step it's not sufficient. Rhodesia and South Africa were "racist" states with no welfare states and Africans (again revealed preferences) flooded in.

I think realistically, the solution to the BQ is a lot more banal:
1) 100x more capital punishment
2) no welfare state
3) no affirmative action
4) corporal punishment carried out within days of the original offense
5) creation of labor battalions for the ones truly incapable of even basic self-management
6) ethnarchy within Black enclaves, basically put Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell in charge of black municipalities and let him solve the BQ anyway he chooses.
7) offer residency buyouts (basically allow any US citizen or green card holder to sell back their right to be in the US)

Basically the ideal is not far off from the tweet, "blacks should be born in jail and then released for good behavior."

If you do those seven things, the problem largely resolves itself in a few generations for the reasons explored in Farewell to Alms

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anon_vaga said in #4959 1w ago: received

>>4957
That’s not really a solution to “the BQ” but moreso egalitarianism as a whole which has many more crimes than elevating unworthy Africans.

All citizens should be procedurally and comprehensively tested for aptitude in all possible domains at various young ages. Most africans would, by default, fall below the threshold necessary to earn the power of government office, education, or voting, and would be educated as simple laborers or possibly culled/eugenically altered.
Basically, once you have enough power amassed to solve this, you have enough to fix the root of the entire issue which renders such an intense focus on blacks moot. Really, I don’t understand it - africans are, by themselves, quite a weak and manipulated people. They do nothing without tacit approval and support from more powerful races.

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anon_bwjo said in #4962 1w ago: received

>>4956
I wish to repeat my theoretical point that complicates the "just turn the police back on" theory of race relations: because most wealth is in the unaccounted public good of public order, functional society, community, etc, it is not actually possible to profitably do racial integration between blacks and whites. You might be able, at great cost, to mitigate the downsides, but the costs are quite high. Real policing would mean a level of de-facto racialized oppression that I don't think you guys are taking seriously as a problem. It's not really sustainable and the liberals are right to oppose it.

They are wrong that "racial justice" of the liberal or communist type is anything but a regressive destructive revenge. The only cheap, profitable, and actually progressive solution is physical separation. I tried in OP to explore how this could be done relatively more voluntarily and to at least short term mutual benefit (not counting the huge expenditure which is obviously a problem with my plan), but >>4957 is partially right that it would take actually a hell of a lot to make it sufficiently enticing, and the long term results may not turn out well for the blacks once they achieve self-determination. But I'll respond to some points:

>They founded Liberia, enslaved the natives, built a plantation economy and created an African version of the antebellum South. This sounds very based and trad
This is not actually based and trad. It's stupid and it sucks as a solution. The south was wrong about slavery and the plantation economy. That has literally never worked out. There are other possibilities. Maybe the africans aren't capable of them I don't know, but we can at least try to imagine a different even partially managed fate that might be more humane and stable.

>Blacks around the world and throughout time would based on revealed preferences rather live as 3rd class citizens in White countries than 1st class citizens in Black countries. Who can blame them? While cutting off the welfare state is a good step it's not sufficient. Rhodesia and South Africa were "racist" states with no welfare states and Africans (again revealed preferences) flooded in.
You all have to meditate on this combined with my observation about public goods and natural egalitarianism until you realize what you're saying and how existentially horrifying it is. Do we really have a population of wretches not only totally incapable of their own civilization, but incapable of not destroying any civilization that tolerates them? Are we just going to sit here and cope about 100x policing while our civilization gets destroyed by the perfect apex parasite of higher civilization? Your statement should be a prompt for extreme radicalization, not any kind of holding back.

>1) 100x more capital punishment
I don't believe this is sustainable between races, only within a well integrated society. Separation and then letting nature take its course is a better way.

>creation of labor battalions
Carlyle makes an interesting point in his latter day pamphlets: if we have men who were capable of reforming the wretches with labor, would they not have even better application elsewhere? Why waste them on such a thing?

>6) ethnarchy within Black enclaves, basically put Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell in charge of black municipalities and let him solve the BQ anyway he chooses.
This is correct, and we can even give them serious support, but why does it have to be all under one citizenship in one country? Population transfers to resolve these kinds of irreconcilable differences are a normal thing in history. Again you must consider the natural level of egalitarianism. This kind of social distance is only possible if we create and enforce physical, logistical, and political distance. They must be not only "other", but a far away concern that most people don't have to think about, just as we mostly don't have to think about whatever the orcas are up to right now, except to occasionally intervene to keep things in their natural state.

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anon_bwjo said in #4963 1w ago: received

>>4959
>Really, I don’t understand it - africans are, by themselves, quite a weak and manipulated people. They do nothing without tacit approval and support from more powerful races.
The question of American race relations is a good proxy for one of the most urgent fronts of the deep and fatal problems with philosophical egalitarianism and worldwide kumbaya integrationism. It's therefore worth dwelling on it occasionally in concrete detail. The problem is precisely that "tacit approval", and what it would look like to withdraw it.

On the details of your solution, meritocratic selection is obviously good and all that, but why do you implicitly insist on racial integrationism? I find it very strange that people who often rail against the civil rights revolution at the same time insist that total racial integration is axiomatically beyond question, and invent science fiction levels of inegalitarian society to sustain that premise. The reality is that multiculuralism is a bizarre historical aberration that will not last. We can either abandon it, or go down with the ship.

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