in thread "Going to bat for "hard materialism"": The poster is describing Aristotelian hylomorphism, which was the usual Western metaphysical basis for natural science prior to the Enlightenment. I find it surprising that you would hold that this doesn't contradict hard physicalist reductionism, though n... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 22 The poster is descri (view hidden) 22 Another question before I make a more substantive reply: do you believe that natural science should proceed using only efficient cause, or should it acknowledge efficient, formal, material, and final causality? 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 22 Another question bef (view hidden) 22 Sure. I disagree very strongly with this: ... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 66 Sure. I disagree ver (view hidden) 66 I do not believe my aesthetic experience can be explained completely by reference to the physical as the physicality of the world, while real, is only revealed in my aesthetic experience. Following Whitehead I hold a panexperientialism, though not a panpsy... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 44 I do not believe my (view hidden) 44 This assertion makes me doubt your commitment to hard materialism. If the principle of operation of an organism is supervened by its material properties, then its mind must be a property of that material. In order to believe it can be replicated on an alte... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 66 This assertion makes (view hidden) 66 A Turing machine can be implemented on pen and paper. In fact, it is absolutely essential that the Turing machine be materially bound to pen and paper: it attempts to form-alize the rote activities of symbolic calculation that we used to rely on mentats fo... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 77 A Turing machine can (view hidden) 77 The first acknowledges that a computer has some properties as we made it that way. The second takes those properties outside of the agent-relative viewpoint and makes computation as more fundamental than it is. ... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 55 The first acknowledg (view hidden) 55 Yes. I want to differentiate between circularity in self-production, and what I'll call "basal autopoiesis": the inherent circularity at the bottom of an organism. ... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 66 Yes. I want to diffe (view hidden) 66 Cells have a self-forming boundary while proteins participate in forming that boundary. I'm not sure cells are in fact the bottom though. ... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) 22 Cells have a self-fo (view hidden) 22