in thread "Going to bat for "hard materialism"": I believe there really are fundamental, deterministic physical laws. (At least, modulo the indeterminacy of quantum mechanics. However, I don't lean on the latter for higher-level conclusions, so I'm willing to bracket it for most further analysis.)... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.4 5.4 I believe there real (view hidden) log in to judge received 5.4 5.4 Separate "semantic" point, but adding to what I said above, I think "materialism" is just a horrible name for this position. It historically has more to do with early Enlightenment metaphysics than with science, and it's super misleading. Modern fundamenta... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 Separate "semantic" (view hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 Absolutely correct, on this hypothesis.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.4 5.4 Absolutely correct, (view hidden) log in to judge received 5.4 5.4 A great way to confuse yourself is to try to jump between the highest and lowest levels of the system and see at one glance how they relate. That's not how science works. That's not how any rigorous thought works. You can't just pick out big-picture featur... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 A great way to confu (view hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 Yes, I agree that this is the key disagreement.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 Yes, I agree that th (view hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 I agree it would be silly to define matter that way. But I think that much Enlightenment materialism, and much popular materialism today, pretty much does this. There is a prevalent, quasi-Newtonian view of matter as undifferentiated "stuff" with form as "... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 I agree it would be (view hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 Francis Bacon is pretty explicit about this and was widely followed, most immediately by Hobbes.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 Francis Bacon is pre (view hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 If you look at the table of the Standard Model, and ask "How are these different entities characterized?," the answer has nothing to do with "matter" in any sense that Newton and his contemporaries would have understood (which was something like undifferen... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.8 4.8 If you look at the t (view hidden) log in to judge received 4.8 4.8 Yes, the precise structure of the interaction and composition are what is important, and this is what I mean by form. This is so true that if you keep drilling the analysis of form down, from the "monkey" down to the Standard Model, you finally arrive at a... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 Yes, the precise str (view hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 I think AGI is certainly possible.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 I think AGI is certa (view hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 I have no objection to this hypothesis.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 I have no objection (view hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 This is an important point. We see the results of failing to cultivate feedback from reality in certain dog breeds that become increasingly fragile and ridiculous. 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.2 2.2 This is an important (view hidden) log in to judge received 2.2 2.2 I don't believe in "nature" in this modern, abstracted sense. There is only the world. Any world-spanning abstraction analogous to "the economy" is superfluous.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.3 3.3 I don't believe in " (view hidden) log in to judge received 3.3 3.3 I agree that this notion is important for the delineation of life. I might call it "internal autopoiesis" rather than "basal," as I'm not sure the autopoesis has to be at the "bottom" of an organism. I'm not even sure that the "bottom" is well-defined. Why... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.8 2.8 I agree that this no (view hidden) log in to judge received 2.8 2.8