in thread "Ideology is more fundamental than *just* post-hoc rationalization": You are absolutely right OP and this always bothered me about the more Marxoid accounts of ideology. Power has structure and motivation. That comes from ideology. Ideas are not just window-dressing on "raw" power but organizational principles and ideals to... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 0.7 0.7 You are absolutely r (view hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2 0.7 0.7 My view is somewhat unique here in that I take a basically anthropomorphist interpretation of "machine" intelligence. There are going to be some obvious major differences, like freely copying and branching minds, more independence between hardware and soft... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.8 5.8 0.8 0.8 My view is somewhat (view hidden) log in to judge received 5.8 5.8 0.8 0.8 I don't know what you mean by WTP (I'm not well educated in these matters). As for the best arguments against anthropomorphism, there are many good ones. The first and best is simply that the space of mind architectures or even more generally optimizing pr... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.8 4.8 I don't know what yo (view hidden) log in to judge received 4.8 4.8 ok but that's just a restatement of your assumption: that the anthromorph is unnatural contingency and not a natural fact. Let's not forget that man as we know him probably emerged out of optimization for war.... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.3 3.3 ok but that's just a (view hidden) log in to judge received 3.3 3.3