in thread "Going to bat for "hard materialism"": The poster is describing Aristotelian hylomorphism, which was the usual Western metaphysical basis for natural science prior to the Enlightenment. I find it surprising that you would hold that this doesn't contradict hard physicalist reductionism, though n... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3 The poster is descri (view hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3 Another question before I make a more substantive reply: do you believe that natural science should proceed using only efficient cause, or should it acknowledge efficient, formal, material, and final causality? 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3 Another question bef (view hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3 Sure. I disagree very strongly with this:... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.6 5.6 Sure. I disagree ver (view hidden) log in to judge received 5.6 5.6 I do not believe my aesthetic experience can be explained completely by reference to the physical as the physicality of the world, while real, is only revealed in my aesthetic experience. Following Whitehead I hold a panexperientialism, though not a panpsy... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.1 4.1 I do not believe my (view hidden) log in to judge received 4.1 4.1 This assertion makes me doubt your commitment to hard materialism. If the principle of operation of an organism is supervened by its material properties, then its mind must be a property of that material. In order to believe it can be replicated on an alte... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.6 5.6 This assertion makes (view hidden) log in to judge received 5.6 5.6 A Turing machine can be implemented on pen and paper. In fact, it is absolutely essential that the Turing machine be materially bound to pen and paper: it attempts to form-alize the rote activities of symbolic calculation that we used to rely on mentats fo... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.8 6.8 A Turing machine can (view hidden) log in to judge received 6.8 6.8 The first acknowledges that a computer has some properties as we made it that way. The second takes those properties outside of the agent-relative viewpoint and makes computation as more fundamental than it is.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.9 3.9 The first acknowledg (view hidden) log in to judge received 3.9 3.9 Yes. I want to differentiate between circularity in self-production, and what I'll call "basal autopoiesis": the inherent circularity at the bottom of an organism.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.9 4.9 Yes. I want to diffe (view hidden) log in to judge received 4.9 4.9 Cells have a self-forming boundary while proteins participate in forming that boundary. I'm not sure cells are in fact the bottom though.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3 Cells have a self-fo (view hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3