in thread "Secular leadership more effective": The secularism question is important but no one seems to have put much into actually defining it. At best we get hints from BAP that he doesn't mean it as a synonym for atheism. Let's start the discussion by trying to define what we're actually talking abo... 5d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.4 5.4 The secularism quest (view hidden) log in to judge received 5.4 5.4 There's something deeply fake about the current claim of religion to address the "first things". BAP is right about this. Nobody cared who Franco was anymore or what he was about about 10 minutes after his death. Spain promptly forgot him and reverted, bec... 5d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.5 6.5 There's something de (view hidden) log in to judge received 6.5 6.5 OK I don't know Spain. I speak from an American perspective. But here's how I see it: I have a lot of benefit of the doubt for the quality of political projects that are put down by force and even after defeat can only be kept down even a century later by ... 5d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.8 3.8 OK I don't know Spai (view hidden) log in to judge received 3.8 3.8