in thread "Nietzsche - Homer's Contest": Yeah there's a phase shift with Plato to philosophy as a self-conscious program and type, with a politics. Alamariu points out tyranny and proto-philosophy existed for a while pre-plato, but true philosophy only really comes into being with xenophon and th... 1y ago (collapse hidden) retry 3 3 Yeah there's a phase (view hidden) retry 3 3