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Horrorism vs Vitalism
I am pleased to see a holy war developing in the comments of "Applied Gnon Theology" between two Landian factions I will dub "orthodox horrorism" and my own "gnonic vitalism". Nothing is quite so productive as conflict, so I expect that whatever comes out ... posted 2mo ago with 29 replies received

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Applied Gnon Theology, for reference: >>3814 2mo ago received

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The limits on exponential growth aren't the point. More like the limits on control. Yeah of course anything that expands explosively runs out of something in very finite time. But that's not about negative feedback loops. The OP question is about whether g... 2mo ago received

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I must say I'm quite confused by some of these responses and can only continue to diagnose that the problem is what I call "atheism". Which is it? Is the way of gnon to annihilate all good things in the crucible of struggle for life, or is civilization and... 2mo ago received

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where does that imperative come from if not from nature? Your own will? Your will is a fleeting mortal thing. Why should anyone listen to it? I agree with your prescription, but I think such imperatives fall out of an affirmation of the observable nature a... 2mo ago received

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Thank you this is very helpful. I don't agree with everything you've got on that chart but generally yes "atheism" vs "theism" is an important crux in this whole thing, and we are meaning something very particular by that. To complete the picture I would p... 2mo ago received

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Land and Moldbug have a nice treatment of "self-evident" in the first parts of "The Dark Enlightenment". There is no such thing as self-evident. It's a thought-stopping epistemic superstition. In this case it's a very pragmatic non-thought for an individua... 2mo ago received

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Fair enough. The "self-evident" vs "leap of faith" debate is missing the point. The real thing is our disagreement about whether the instincts need any higher framework of justification. I see where you are coming from and I agree that the instincts causal... 2mo ago received

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I suspect the "meta-rational" "meta-systemic" way of thinking is just a softer form of nihilism. In general I think we should figure out what we actually believe, and if it doesn't work and can't actually be generalized to all situations, then it must be w... 2mo ago received

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Applied Gnon Theology
Nick Land crystalized an important current of the English theological tradition with one word: Gnon. Gnon stands in for Jefferson's "Nature or Nature's God", acronymized (NoNG), reversed (GNoN), and reified (Gnon). The concept is itself a stand-in for unce... posted 2mo ago with 28 replies received

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Yes all life decays. Yes the rot is part of the cycle of life. No the rot is not the nature of the tree. The tree should seek the idealized tree-way that wins best as a tree, including against the rot. As this process becomes rational the cycle of these th... 2mo ago received

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You are missing the point. Might is not right. That’s not the conclusion to draw. Consider what happens to life that operates on that ideology. “Oh no this other thing that isn't us is more dominant in this part of the cycle better fold up and surrende... 2mo ago received

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It's working so far, driving things forward, achieving great life. All life is fundamentally unstable in that way. We temporarily harness explosive positive feedback loops to achieve life. But the positive feedback loops are themselves dependent on the neg... 2mo ago received

It's working so far, received

I'll have to write at some length about why you can't fight against or capture gnon, and what that means. As for parasitism, yes wiping them out is a big part of the game. That's the meaning of immune systems.... 2mo ago received

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Good question. The point of Gnon theology is to posit this ontologically minimal divine-like moral authority and then inductively reconstruct "what does it seem to want?" Basically "suppose there was telos in the cosmos and life, what would it be?"... 2mo ago received

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I think given your separation between reality-as-it-exists and the will of any divinity outside reality, it's reasonable to take your position. But I don't think they can be actually separated. Surely a creator god would design reality with intent. Therefo... 2mo ago received

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As I mentioned in the other thread a serious worldview must be backed by more than mere assertion. On what basis and to what extent is group self-interest a valid principle? If we're not caring to actually back this up and enforce worldview rigor around an... 2mo ago received

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Is Unitarianism the true religion of the coming civilization?
Jefferson didn't quite get the dates right, but I offer the provocation that he was right in spirit about Unitarianism. Unitarianism takes the best of the Christian tradition and broader European philosophical tradition, and unifies and purifies it of supe... posted 4mo ago with 27 replies received

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To respond to a good criticism: yes unitarianism today is the most obnoxiously liberal of the vaguely Christian religions. The historical reason for this though I think starts to undermine your point: when a society starts to break, one of the things the p... 4mo ago received

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You sound like Jordon Peterson. I gladly tip my fedora to you, sir, and take on the burden of being "fedora coded" if it means having precise beliefs. Yes it's worth getting caught up in the particulars of metaphysics. If you're going to build social and i... 4mo ago received

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This is another interesting criticism. You are saying we need a grand irrational missionary faith of some kind to coordinate society around, and unitarianism doesn't do it (at least directly). I actually agree with both of these things. But we presumably a... 4mo ago received

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With respect to darwinism, obviously the early unitarians weren't darwinist. What I mean to imply is that there is actually a larger thread of coherent metaphysical development of post-christianity with fairly dense interconnection, running through things ... 4mo ago received

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Christianity makes narrative sense if you are operating in the prescientific hebrew frame of reference where the universe is dualistically divided into ontologically sacred and profane parts, the world is full of djinn, history is punctuated by unique meta... 4mo ago received

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ok let's put the name aside. My "unitarianism" provocation is about content and history more than a branding proposal. Let's turn to the matter of Christian love and social-political interpretation of the sermon on the mount.... 4mo ago received

ok let's put the nam received

your view is overall fairly coherent but I don't see the miracles, including your magical claims about consciousness. They aren't particularly necessary and as you admit the evidence is uncompelling by definition. You claim God wants to intervene here and ... 4mo ago received

your view is overall received

I'll have to do another thread with the same content but different words. "Unitarianism" is a joke, but there's something here in the content that I think is very powerful. The anon who mentioned teilhard is on the right track. 4mo ago received

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You are right about these things. I will attempt what you have specified. But i'm still lacking two things: a good hook, and "what's the point". We can be as right as we like about philosophy and so on but if there isn't some actual operational program tha... 3mo ago received

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