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anon_hihi said in #2312 14mo ago: received

Palladium’s publication frequency has recently been inconsistent, with the most current article in the most recent issue dating back to 2022. Its purpose should be to provide a reliable platform for uniting thinkers and policy innovators from key hubs like San Francisco, Austin, NYC, and the global digital nomad community. These individuals, despite their geographic and cultural differences, share a need for a space to exchange and develop ideas that address the challenges of governance and our situation. If groups begin to splinter due to dissatisfaction, they are unlikely to cooperate and network effectively in the real world.

Readers are eager to engage with new ideas on pressing topics such as H1B visas, industrial policy, literacy rates, and population decline.

Whatever opinions exist about Palladium’s social scene or associated events, infighting only undermines the spread of powerful ideas and the ability to wield real-world power. To fulfill its purpose, Palladium must prioritize its role as a mechanism for connecting diverse thinkers and informing readers.

To address this, Palladium would benefit from a structured editorial and publication schedule to ensure that ideas are shared consistently and remain timely. Additionally, collaboration with other magazines (IM1776, Compact, perhaps even debates with Jacobian writers) and networks with similar missions and social ecosystems could strengthen its ability to drive meaningful change. There is no room for cliques or unnecessary distractions when the mission at hand is serious and carries real-world consequences.

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anon_wapa said in #2315 14mo ago: received

You’re not wrong. Palladium could do much to drive the conversation especially in the new political climate. Palladium has probably gained in influence potential. But ultimately it’s on Samo these days. If you have good ideas, talk to him. If you could do a great job as an editor, talk to Samo and the founders. If no one is able and willing, then what can be done?

Its worth considering the new role and strategy of palladium in the new climate. As i understood it, Palladium was the vanguard of making it possible for far right intellectualism to happen in public with respectable legitimacy, in exchange for being very subtle about this and not rocking the boat, and combining this with quality reporting and aesthetics. That goal has basically been achieved. The vibes in parties in the last couple months (and indeed last year or two) have been electric. The overton window is totally broken. So in that sense, the careful discipline of old Palladium is no longer needed. Time for a new strategy.

One problem with old palladium was it aspired to advise statecraft but it was always really unclear who that audience could possibly be. The system was sclerotic and not listening, and the dynamic thinkers were out of power. Its attempts to give good statecraft advice to people who werent listening or had no power was kindof incoherent. But the implied gamble has also paid off: we now have a regime that is much much closer to dynamic palladium readers being directly in power, and not just in DC. There is a political subject to be advised now, that needs its perspective formed. We are in the early stages of a revolution sweeping the western world, and Palladium is near the front of that. Palladium’s job is to now speak more loudly and clearly and directly to and for the coming regime. Or thats one view.

But there’s a more general question here: how much effort is a magazine worth these days? Magazines are driven by the zeal of editors and writers and the support of patrons. Should i put my sweat or money into making a magazine happen? Here are my reasons for not doing so:

A magazine is way more work than anyone seems to estimate from the outside. Its a hard and constant battle to drive the editorial machine. And expensive. The impact and glory in exchange is very hard to estimate, comes years later if at all. Maybe palladium accomplished its mission, maybe it just predicted the wave. And it takes more than just dedicated editors and patrons, you also need a community of writers willing to pour labor into the cause with the same lack of direct reward. Again people do not appreciate how hard it is to write 4000 words of engaging high quality novel observations. You simply could not pay people enough to do it. It works only when you have a live scene of very smart people who want to spit these things at each other for fun, but its a hard balance to keep the discipline of an editorial strategy and the energy of a scene. In my experience a magazine cannot sustain a scene, only empower it.

So lets back up and look at our goals. We want a platform where the intellectuals of a new regime can form their perspective and ideas against each other in a way thats fun and engaging, has editorial discipline that doesnt get in the way but just curates the best as a sort of value-add post-hoc. It shouldnt require much professional oversight at all, but should make heavy use of the energy of the participants to drive things. It should be the kind of thing people could have fun spending all day engaging with, like social media. Because of its politically sensitive subject matter, it should protect the identity of participants without sacrificing quality. Instead of publishing 4000 words, it should be possible to blast out an entry in half an hour on a phone, more like 4000 characters. It should be the kind of thing that can sustain a scene, like a forum. A forum for curated anonymous discussion of political philosophy. Why does that sound familiar?

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anon_qili said in #2318 14mo ago: received

Whatever Palladium was or should be in the future won’t be solved publishing articles from 2020, putting e-girls on the frontpage or brining Indians “writers.”

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anon_gesi said in #2319 14mo ago: received

>>2312
OP it sounds like you should write a Palladium article on "pressing topics such as H1B visas, industrial policy, literacy rates, [or] population decline." As >>2315 suggests, these things don't grow on trees, and like any magazine Palladium is bottlenecked by quality submissions. I don't know what cliques and infighting you're referring to, but I'm confident it's less important than good writing about important subjects.

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anon_xibu said in #2334 14mo ago: received

>>2319
I have heard any articles have been submitted but have yet to be reviewed or published. Additionally, a few people I know have offered to contribute by helping edit.

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anon_mwje said in #2335 14mo ago: received

>>2334
*Many articles

*Many articles received

anon_rowy said in #2338 14mo ago: received

>>2315

"combining this with quality reporting and aesthetics"

How is a thrown together WordPress site quality aesthetics?

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anon_hifu said in #2339 14mo ago: received

I liked the idea that someone articulated once that Palladium articles should be written to a young American Napoleon. I liked the idea that this mythical figure was reading exhortations to explore the stars, learning about North Korean ecofascism, and learning from Vo Nguyen Giap. If I had to attempt to sum up the secret to the formula, and describe what set it apart from competitors, it might have been the invitation to philosophize beyond the American ideological spectrum.

I imagine it's hard to match up ideologically-suspect friends with reliable funding for an English-language publication.

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anon_wapa said in #2340 14mo ago: received

>>2339
Yeah palladium tried to do the thing that isnt allowed in the anglosphere, which is give the young prince a truly liberal education, which is to say an education that liberates from prevailing ideology. Its true there isnt a huge amount of money for this. But there isnt none either. The hard part is writing the stuff. There are very few who can do it and it takes a ton of work.

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anon_lute said in #2342 14mo ago: received

It's now clear that the momentum is no longer at Palladium. Alot of great work was done, but prestigemaxxing got the best of the project in the end. Ultimately it filled it's role as a blueprint for higher energy projects such as IM-1776, New Founding, etc... where I get a sense of a deeper conviction and a willingness to put up a fight.

New times are upon us. We spent a decade refining ideas. It's now time to put them into practice.

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react said in #2343 14mo ago: received

>>2342

Anyone here know the IM-1776 guys or have experience working with them? (There seemed to be some weird friction between them and REN a while back that I didn't quite get.)

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anon_qiju said in #2345 14mo ago: received

>>2343
Ive spoken to Mark occasionally. He seems cool. Good editor, hard worker. He did a good job with Avetis’ (Palladium writer) “Virtue of Cruelty”.

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anon_hihi said in #2363 14mo ago: received

There is movement on this.

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anon_buzi said in #2369 13mo ago: received

>>2342

I understand of course that prestige is ultimately a lagging or sometimes even bearish indicator of real intellectual vitality and liveliness so to speak, but I wouldn't be so quick to say that Palladium Mag has lost momentum. Just anecdotally, if you talk to non-leftist Stanford college students at random and namedrop Palladium you'll find that they're already plugged into this sphere - I highly doubt this was the case 12 or 24 months ago.

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anon_myzo said in #2465 13mo ago: received

First, I would like to thank the Founders of Palladium and its predecessor publications. The transition from far outside the Overton window to Muscular Centrism was masterful and would have failed in the hands of almost anyone else.

Second, as someone who wrote for Palladium, I can think of no better venue to showcase my ideas, and the editing that went into the piece turned it into a Mohs 10 essay.

Third, here is where I see a major challenge. When you have high-performing individuals, assuming they have no major personality issues, they tend to advance in the real world. 10 years ago I might have had a job that I could more or less use as a platform to conduct research for Palladium on company time. 5 years ago, I had to work at my job, but outside my job, I could spend the rest of the week doing research and writing. Now, I've had a modicum of professional success, and my ability to drop everything and write a timely, well-researched article has fallen dramatically. I'm not alone, to the extent that early Palladium attracted high quality writers, many of those same writers today can't write articles for fun as easily given their opportunity cost.

The solution is obviously to have a farm team of up-and-coming writers to replace the writers who age out, but that's FAR easier said than done.

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anon_goju said in #4723 2mo ago: received

The crux of the current issue posed by the strain of thought (if it can be even described as that) posed by Sami’s manhandling of Palladium is that to foreign readers, meaning anyone who isn’t plugged into X or is part of the Bay Area AI-grift shtetl, Palladium’s output does not make sense anymore.

The degree of interesting governance related pieces with an esoteric, hard right wing contrarian takes being put has dwindled close to nothing. As I see it there is an increasing amount of disparate articles touching anything but governance itself, with various turbo-autistic delvings into things ranging from farming to economics to maritime topics that bear no relation if taken from a meta-perspective. In addition, there is the problem posed by the writer choices as well. If this is to be a esoterically hard right reactionary magazine; for the love of God don’t start publishing women en masse and making all your social events about the number of Stockholm 5s and 6s you’re able to get into your event (with the consequent Samo Balkan Amsterdam red light district pimp group photo) that a lot of older readers and such will be incredibly turned off seeing on X or other socials. Pretty girls are anywhere btw, no need to overemphasize it nor is such a serious magazine supposed to be catering to modern Lou Salome thots.

On top of the early, high-quality output covering China and more unique aspects of 20th century history; there has been little effort to try touch upon examples of modern reactionary statecraft whether in the SEA or GCC regions, nor have the few attempts to cover states showed any deep immersion into the subject matter itself. Indulging X right wing trends will always make you appear disorganized and ridiculous globally especially if there is a concerted effort to appear sophisticated and high class whether through the print editions or the social events themselves.

I really liked what the initial group of Palladium founders and writers built. Yet; reflecting on the past 12-30 months starting with the nude Grimes print issue, I have to say something is currently not right for a magazine that many once enjoyed reading and greatly anticipated all new pieces that were published. Quo vadis?

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anon_hifu said in #4724 2mo ago: received

>>4723
This is too pessimistic, then too cruel. I wonder if I'm misunderstanding. It doesn't seem to have been launched as an "esoterically hard right reactionary magazine." The orientation toward "governance futurism," the figures and ideas covered early on, and the writers selected for the first issues suggest that not to be the case. Is Samo Burja trying to take it in that direction? I can't tell.

I must admit that I don't understand the preoccupation with "long history," nor how it might help us to develop novel conceptions of progress and technology. Is that something interesting to people in the Bay Area?

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anon_vaqo said in #4725 2mo ago: received

>>4723

>turbo-autistic delvings into things from farming to economics to maritime topics
>I must admit that I don't understand the preoccupation with "long history," nor how it might help us to develop novel conceptions of progress and technology

I have to be honest, I think it would be best if whiny idiots like you two just didn't read Palladium at all and, more importantly, stopped pretending like you do and are serious stakeholders in Palladium, since you clearly are not. I'm sure this post will be mass-downvoted as usual thanks to Wolf's autistic attempt to improve on chan technology, but there is really nothing more honest and useful to be said to posters who clearly do not read anything, have limited mental faculties even if they did, and get salty at the idea that someone, somewhere is at a party with biological females.

As usual it seems Palladium's supposed readers and stakeholders have no interest whatsoever in (a) donating money to Palladium (b) writing interesting articles on governance for Palladium or even (c) actually reading Palladium. However there is much interest in (a) concern-trolling and complaining about imagined PR problems relating to "older readers and such" (???) or "indulging X right wing trends" (b) complaining you don't understand concepts you haven't bothered to even read. Indeed, why would Palladium publish autistic delvings into economics or "maritime topics"? What relevance could economics have to modern governance? What's the preoccupation with "long history"? How does that help us understand human progress? Using all my brainpower I just cannot figure it out. Does this appeal to "Bay Area people"? Why would Palladium want to appeal to "Bay Area AI grifters"? Why is Palladium having nude celebrities in the magazine? Why not serious photos of Curtis Yarvin's potbelly, for example? Or perhaps some autistic's ugly beard? Better yet, no photos at all? In fact, why publish a magazine in the first place? Or even have a website? Palladium should be appealing to foreign non-American old people who aren't on X and who seethe every time they see a photo of a woman at a party. Yes, that's it. If Palladium did that, everything would be great.

Please, genuinely, shut the fuck up. Your posts are so stupid and useless they deserve nothing but contempt. inb4 downvoted to oblivion, fuck all of you. Righteous mockery deserves to be at the top of the thread.

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I have to be honest, received

anon_fetu said in #4730 2mo ago: received

As the comment made is done by a collective of readers and former OG writers of Palladium, there is no reason to expect and yap that we are not serious people.

Palladium, until the start of the increasing round of skimpy articles and Grimes/techno AI grift being pushed, was a genuinely laudable magazine and as always many congratulations to its founders for what they built within a few years.

When it comes to writing for Palladium, we know too many pitches get rejected. With regard to reading Palladium, we still do despite the fall in quality just out curiosity and respect to its former standing. In terms of concern-trolling, there is no trolling due to the established fact that its reach beyond the Bay Area has stagnated very much which is a mixture of its change of tone within its media positioning and incessant Samo shilling. And with regard to the said concepts in some articles, you do not disagree with our point that they’re being put out as part of a highly disorganized strategy.

About Grimes being shown in the nude, it should be obvious why that is a problem with such high-brow admirers like yourself. If you want to really be a serious magazine with nude artistic photography, at least get a proper VS Secret bunny and not Elon’s love of his life.

Personally, I started reading the magazine for the practical statecraft case studies and material analysis, not Wolf pontificating for the 100th time on how AI will kill us all or Landian bullshit about gnon; or as of last night - how Palladium launched the print renaissance.

In terms of the so-called seething “every time they see a photo of a woman at a party. Yes, that's it. If Palladium did that, everything would be great.”, you hilariously avoid my main point - when you make a concerted effort to show off the Stockholm 5s (SF 9s and 10s allegedly) in the Samo Balkan pimp and Palladium Party photos, you instinctively show to all viewers certain aspects of one’s childhood that quite possibly the current manager of Palladium faced with regard to women. Once or twice it may be great or funny, but after two years of this it becomes easy to call.

Our only wish is that Palladium may be recouped by its founders with a focus on the same magic that made it worth reading and tracking for its new articles as it was until 2023. No female writers, no X trending slop, with a concerted effort to organize the publications as part of a grander strategy and meta-philosophy that was once quintessentially Palladium.

Deport Samo back to Slovenia, Make America Great Again

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anon_lute said in #4731 2mo ago: received

I am going to side step the vitriol and ask both sides: What topics (be specific) would you like to see covered?

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I am going to side s received

anon_hifu said in #4734 2mo ago: received

>>4725
I was myself trying in a more oblique way to call him a whiny idiot... And the question about "long history" was intended to be productive, or to steer things away from mindless arguments about the unwillingness of Palladium at present to promote a particular ideology, or lady writers, or photoshoots (much of the greatest contemporary American literature—and the stuff that people actually read—came packaged with spreads of minor starlets selected by obnoxious editors).

I think the promotional theatrics are fine, sometimes cool, and not carried out particularly recklessly. Anyway, for better or worse, they are necessary. This thread often sounds more like the struggles at Asama-Sanso than discussion of editorial direction for a magazine for well-to-do millennial intellectuals. A revolution is a dinner party.

>>4731
I want to read about Africa and South Asia, but also maybe deep American local politics. I want philosophy concealed in reportage. Probably not a marketable idea.

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anon_xora said in #4735 2mo ago: received

I, as an occasional reader don't mind that Palladium has changed. It now is Samo's magazine, reflecting his eclectic interests, his aesthetic and the perspectives of his social milieu (right wing tpot). He spends his own time and money on this endeavor so it's his prerogative. I don't think this is an improvement per se, but I don't think he has some duty to maintain the initial tone. On the contrary, I think he should lean in.

>>4731
1) I wanna read an article taking Chinese industrialism seriously and proposing that Western industrialization requires a unified trading bloc btw Japan/Korea/EU/US.
2) Asking interesting 'right wing tpot' thinkers to write could be interesting. Maybe its been done but I quite like Richard Ngo, Conrad Bastable, Dom Cummings for example.
3) Something about DOGE is probably appropriate.
4) Something about gerontocracy & luxury boomer communism is probably appropriate.
5) Maybe a right wing response to yimby and anti car new urbanism e.g. 'sf 10x'. (p.s. abolish all speed limits)
6) probably already planned - but an edition dedicated to celebrating america for the upcoming year.

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anon_nawa said in #4769 1mo ago: received

>>4735

This is a great list. #1 especially.

My beef with Palladium is that they've been publishing more (effectively) opinion pieces rather than deeply researched articles.

Relatedly: I get second-hand embarrassment from this kind of self-absorbed drivel:
https://x.com/palladiummag/status/1998124927485186193

If you think sending a journalist to London is more dangerous than Kabul, you need to touch grass.

There is a larger issue here: Palladium is suffering from competition and dilution. During the previous regime, a right-wing technoaccelerationist voice was a breath of fresh air. Today, lots of people are falling over each other to try to be the most Heckin' Baysed online. Joe Lonsdale was talking public executions the other day. The DHS account posts Frog Memes. Never mind that the tenderloin is still full of illegal Hondurans selling fent openly... Poasters are In Control. Much of this has descended into cringe.

Thus the bar is now higher. What's needed today is fact over opinion, depth over breadth. A genuine uncorrelated voice. "Governance Futurism" remains an excellent north star. And on that note, I submit two additions to your list:

7) A comparative governance deep dive into the emerging Latin American right: Bukele, Milei, Missao in Brazil.
8) A deep dive on Poland and Denmark.

In both cases you have countries overperforming their region by acting decisively outside of consensus. I want to understand what's working and why.

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anon_vaqo said in #4802 1mo ago: received

>>4730
>>4735
>>4769

Everybody who dislikes Palladium's current editorial direction or aesthetics is welcome to:

(a) Donate $1+ million to Palladium with guidance on what they would like to see different and how the money should be used, such that Palladium can pay people to write different kinds of articles, since such articles are not organically forthcoming due to the high investment of time and effort required.

(b) Write articles (donate their time) that they would like to read.

As has been repeated here and elsewhere ad nauseam, for the retards in the audience, Palladium is not sitting on billions of dollars in funding to find and pay whoever it can for whatever ideas it comes up with, and there is no organic source of infinite high-quality governance case studies that Samo is wrongfully ignoring. Besides the moron who continues to seethe that disgusting biofemales have gotten their rotten, manicured claws into Palladium, it is true that Palladium could publish a lot more high-quality governance case studies, but the problem there is that there are only two sources of possible case studies: (a) paying someone to write them (b) members of the community writing them and submitting them. If there is no money and no volunteer labor to advance the tradition of knowledge, there will be no such articles. Indeed, it is not easy to write high-quality governance futurism. It turns out it is very hard.

It's nonetheless absurdly, mendaciously retarded to act like Palladium does not publish such quality material anymore, anyone can scroll down the homepage and see it for themselves, even with the most anally restrictive definition of what counts. But the throughput is the throughput that we have. Here's the thing: a non-profit project, which Palladium is and has always been, is a collaborative effort of volunteers. There is no room or space in such a project for the peanut gallery retard who claims to be a big fan and supporter but has nothing to offer except idiotic criticisms and demands for changes as if they are the customer of a MegaCorp whose flatulent complaints about the quality of the popcorn and the comfort of the seats will rightfully be met with a generous refund from MegaCorp's ill-gotten treasury of profits. There is only room for donating money or time. Behaving like this, thinking like this, marks you as the lowest form of useless scum known to any community of knowledge in history, deserving of the most endless mockery and contempt. Someone who cannot figure out how a non-profit organization works has no business complaining about the quality of governance writing or thinking anywhere or at any time.

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anon_nawa said in #4822 1mo ago: received

>>4769

Credit where due, the new The Obligation to Beauty article that just landed is fantastic. This is exactly the kind of deep research and focus what we need.

https://letter.palladiummag.com/p/the-obligation-to-beauty

Reports of Palladium's death have been exaggerated.

Credit where due, th received

anon_qose said in #4890 2w ago: received

To the second last commenter that is still bummed out for the frankness and directness of the previous comments made by other observers of the magazine's fall:

Palladium originally started on a minimal budget and yet it attracted a unique variety of high quality environs and engagement from young, talented men that saw fit a useful outlet for writings - it was never about money or payments being made, and we do know of cases where both promotion of Palladium was made in kind. The cause of Palladium was valuable enough. Money and payments for all helpers and writers was not sacrosanct, and very likely any large infusion of capital at this stage will push things overboard.

The topic of women should be quite obvious to any observer that professes to have genuine right wing motivations and predilections. It is disqualifying to observe the very obvious pandering to the few alleged women of San Francisco that may have been having a role in the decline of submissions in relation to the change in Palladium's image, let alone its standing beyond San Francisco - San Francisco is not the capital of the world and any performative attempt to claim its role in culture creation in the US or worldwide always falls short.

A previous point made acutely made it clear that one of the biggest malformations of the magazine is due to the disparate, un-coordinated series of articles being put out that have little bearing to topics of governance nor in the style made in the past under its previous overseers. There is little point to comment on alleged quality of individual articles if they do not cohere into a meta-narrative, something that its previous managers clearly succeeded in doing. Submissions and interest lie also on how it is perceived in this matter and whether someone will want to offer an article submission to the editorial board. This bears no relation to Palladium being a non-profit - let's be serious that funding bears little importance considering previous magazines that were of note like Jacobite and the first proper alternative magazines like Thermidor.

I know of cases where one friend attempted to pitch an article on Qatar and its relatively unknown model of governance derived from its gas revenues and historical awkwardness as a isolated peninsula which got it so far that Israel is yelping about it and its alleged influence in the United States, yet he got no follow through even when it was offered to also conduct a interview or two with the PM of Qatar as part of the article as he was ready to push one of his advisors for this. Another case from another friend was a pitch to write an article on Indonesia's quiet and successful industrialization strategy and the actions taken by its partially Chinese elite, yet nothing came out of it. These sort of article subjects mixed in with various interpretations and synthesis through Western governance theory and philosophy would have been quite phenomenal, yet the last two articles pushed out are completely synthetic theorizing on beauty and bronze age globalization? Or, "Platonic Case against AI Slop."

Also lol at the seething that maybe Palladium shouldn't have nude AI grift girls and reduce some of its pandering to the lesser sex. Well, if Palladium is to be a social club where Bay Area intralectuals can drone about "ideas" and such to girls and pretend they're refined, so it be then. But then, the sophist nature of Palladium should be admitted and that there is a preference of some deluded aesthetic as if its the harbinger of a Palais Royale intellectual cafe salon of 1792 with hookers, degens, intellectual and debt exiles, and such - to act as if the conclusions made by the current articles are not only serious, but inevitable. Yet, when MAGA dies in 2028, what will Palladium, Samo & Co. do by squandering what they inherited by the time Silicon Valley becomes again a Democract darling (as they confidently were before Trump and during Biden)?

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anon_vaqo said in #4891 2w ago: received

>>4890
Maybe your submissions just sucked dude. Take the whining elsewhere.

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anon_vahu said in #4893 2w ago: received

>>4890
>I know of cases where one friend attempted to pitch an article
>pitch
> Another case from another friend was a pitch to write an article on Indonesia's quiet
>pitch

Right, your "friends" did not bother writing actual articles to submit, they just gave unsolicited "pitches." In other words, they wrote e-mails to Palladium. That's very helpful, wow. How dare Samo not respond to your friends' emails. Did your friends end up publishing those great articles somewhere else where we can read them? Why do I suspect the answer is not?

If you haven't noticed, a theme of this discussion has been the lack of money and editorial labor at Palladium, which means unsolicited pitches are currently useless to Palladium. If you would like Palladium to be capable of taking every unsolicited pitch and developing it into a full article, which requires significant editorial labor, you can donate a large amount of money to Palladium at the link: https://www.palladiummag.com/subscribe/

> Palladium originally started on a minimal budget and yet it attracted a unique variety of high quality environs and engagement from young, talented men that saw fit a useful outlet for writings

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Palladium began with a modest budget, which was used to pay full-time editors who would network, harass writers to write, heavily edit, seek out new talent, and provide some initially generous by writers' standards payment for the writers who did write articles. In other words, the money was spent on the editorial labor and financial compensation required to turn unsolicited pitches by people like your "friends" into full articles worth reading, without which money and labor no articles are forthcoming.

> previous magazines that were of note like Jacobite and the first proper alternative magazines like Thermidor.

Are those the pathetic shitholes you crawled out from? Hey, remind me, where are Jacobite and Thermidor now exactly? When was the last time I read an article from those or even heard of them? Clearly, Palladium should take more advice and lessons from such highly successful intellectual powerhouses and media properties as Jacobite and Thermidor.

>A previous point made acutely made it clear that one of the biggest malformations of the magazine is due to the disparate, un-coordinated series of articles being put out that have little bearing to topics of governance nor in the style made in the past under its previous overseers.

I swear to God I'm being trolled by this retard. Palladium has published a quarterly issue around a particular theme relating to governance every quarter since 2021, and this hasn't changed. What's your problem with the content? That it doesn't all revolve around Third World dictatorships? Palladium isn't allowed to publish articles about philanthropy or AI or anthropology because it's only allowed to publish articles about which Third World dictatorship this week has lessons for the rest of us? If you think "governance futurism" only means publishing articles about Third World dictatorships, you are welcome to launch your own publication all about that. You are also welcome to submit articles to Palladium, you know. If they don't suck, they will be published. Even if they're about Third World dictatorships.

> Also lol at the seething that maybe Palladium shouldn't have nude AI grift girls

All this moronic neckbeard seething about disgusting biofemales is not even worth addressing, and what's more concerning is that there are other Sofiechan users who are updooting this retarded drivel. Here, sir, you dropped your fedora. And your tradpipe. Please go back to the armchair and continue pontificating about who is or is not a true right-wing intellectual and who is merely a sophist as proven by their proximity to sickening bioholes.

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anon_kypi said in #4894 2w ago: received

>>4893
Please let your boss know that the "Palladium Writer’s Guide" page should be updated if Palladium is not interested in hearing pitches.

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anon_zuwe said in #4895 2w ago: received

>>4894
I don't work for Palladium, big guy, but you will notice Palladium requires both parties to be interested in a pitch, not just the malding retards who feel jilted because Samo doesn't answer their emails Regarding An Exciting New Article About Indonesian Governance.

I don't work for Pal received

anon_qose said in #4896 2w ago: received

Oh boy, the degree of hysterical seething of a still rather balanced critique of the current state of play in Palladium is hilarious.

Kudos to anon_kypi for evidencing the fact that Palladium should definitely alter its public information if every essay idea that is entertained has to be created, digested, and created within Samo's circle - not pitched to Palladium as written in the "Palladium Writer's Guide'."

And coming back to the extremely funny seething over presentable advanced governance studies, then on that basis will you be able to repudiate the pre-Samo Palladium in its entirety for its, hear me out, focus on non-white nation states that would be classified as 3rd world? And if there's any intellectual honesty around here, one would know that Qatar and Indonesia are not Third world shitholes, even less as dictatorships - or wasn't that the case with the pieces written on Azerbaijan, China, El Salvador, et al?

Regarding the payments for articles published, it is well known that mostly the Palladium correspondents have been remunerated to some degree or another - individuals that published pieces were almost never paid, in addition to those who promoted the magazine.

On Jacobite and Thermidor, like any media project worth its sake, they were retired once their use was exploited to the maximum, and there's no question that either readers or writers of both magazines (and other NRx outlets) migrated onto Palladium due to the unique alignment with how the original magazine's outlook was formed on.

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I am not surprised you fail to understand the point made by the general incoherence and lack of a meta-narrative wrapping together the current output of Palladium magazines into a streamlined manner - nor that there's been next to no mention of "Third world dictatorships". Do you mean California by that, or Canada? Last time I checked in neither Doha or Jakarta I need to worry about my belongings being stoled or being cancelled/having my career destroyed for saying all illegals should be deported or that racial mixing is a civilization's fall. Anyhow, all of this is beside the main point being made here - as previous comments made by others were made, pandering to trending niches on X to spin out articles on state-approved racial science/human biology and AI slop generally does downgrade the reputation of a magazine, especially when it is historically known to focus on hardcore governance topics ranging from state capital and industrial strategy, or unique scientific and technology organizations, or the successes of the Chinese state's strategies. But Third world dictatorships?

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anon_zuwe said in #4897 2w ago: received

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You are free to migrate away from Palladium if you find it no longer aligns with your outlook.

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anon_gesi said in #4898 2w ago: received

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Did these articles ever get posted elsewhere? I’ve had my share of articles and pitches rejected or ignored by magazines including Palladium—it’s part of the game tbh, a writer shouldn't let this get under his skin—and when that happens I’ll publish it at a different outlet or on my blog. (On one occasion an editor ignored my article, and then once it did well at a different outlet, he got jealous and messaged me soliciting future articles. I still carry that one with me.)

I ask because the topics you mention sound neat to me, but execution is always 10x more important than topic, so I can’t actually tell from your post whether this is actually a miss, or just a busy man sensibly triaging his time. I’d be interested to check out the results see for myself.

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anon_xora said in #4899 2w ago: received

an interesting crux is "AGI timelines". Insofar as one believes that AGI/ASI will be invented in the next 5-10 years in SF, what happens here is more consequential than Indonesian industrial policy or Qatar's sponsorship of political Islam. I get the sense that some people who live outside the US think this is some decadent bubble, and that serious people should discuss global geopolitics. I think they are wrong.

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react said in #4900 2w ago: received

>>4899
The discourse around "AGI timelines" is complete cope. It diverts discussion into bullshit speculation, quite detached from reality.

I say this not as an "AI skeptic." I'm not. I think AI capabilities are real, growing, and will have large impacts. However, those large impacts will be mundane, not magical in the ways that most AGI timeline discourse presupposes. (Most talk about "fast takeoff," for example, is code for magic.)

Some of the greatest impacts AI could have are around governance (e.g., law enforcement for crime, aided by some future Palantir) but those entirely depend on fine-grained issues of political control; they're not something that AI brings about on its own.

That's why Palladium-style governance futurism remains entirely relevant given progress in AI, perhaps even more so.

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egon said in #4901 2w ago: received

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> However, those large impacts will be mundane

Let's make this real. Pick any non-cope threshold for "mundane" and I will bet you $10k that it's exceeded within four years.

I share your skepticism of the most extreme scenarios--Yud doomerism, "AI 2027" and so on. But the vast majority of the world is underestimating this technology. The impacts that materialize over the coming years will be the furthest thing from mundane and will, in fact, be radically disruptive.

We can formalize on a new thread rather than hijacking this Palladium thread. DM me.

As an aside, Sofiechan needs a way to end threads while they're ahead. Many start out higher quality and devolve. Perhaps the solution is to archive them.

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anon_swsu said in #4911 2w ago: received

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>San Francisco is not the capital of the world and any performative attempt to claim its role in culture creation in the US >or worldwide always falls short.

The only real criticism I have of Palladium is that its articles have become more SF bubble oriented. SF is not culturally cool no matter how you spin it. Applying the tech mindset to arts and culture will not work, no matter how much you try to formalize it. The kind of thinking that got us into these problems won’t be the kind of thinking that gets us out.

Globally, people will copy the utilitarian aspects of Silicon Valley and apply them to business and technology to get things done, that's it. The only people who look up to the cultural side of it and think it's cool are 2nd gen immigrants and other autistic nerds.

Yeah, taste can be refined but it takes a long time and ultimately at the end of the day, you either "get it" or you don't. Probably the most unfortunate thing about nerds is that they'll never really "get it", because again, "it" isn't something you can write down and formalize. It's like the Greek tragedy of Pentheus - know thyself.

So aside from the SF circle-jerk and lack of awareness, Palladium still puts out quality pieces and I will continue supporting their work.

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anon_weta said in #4930 2w ago: received

> SF is not culturally cool no matter how you spin it.

I don't think Palladium's goal is to be "culturally cool". Palladium's goal, as I see it, is:
1. to be correct and early on important topics related to governance
2. to win the respect of the upcoming key players in Western government and industry
3. ultimately, to leverage 1 and 2 to create more effective leadership in the West

This will never do numbers. It is niche by design. It just happens to be a maximally important niche.

Look at the raw human capital running our institutions. Our political leaders are embarrassments compared to a Theodore Roosevelt, a Charles de Gaulle, or even an Eisenhower. Meanwhile, our top industrialists are extremely capable men, achieving things their predecessors couldn't dream of, but are painfully politically unaware. We have decabillionaires who created whole industries from scratch and now they just want to grill, man.

If Palladium succeeds in waking up even a single future Bezos into spending his surplus on the acquisition and effective use of political power rather than on tardfoids and divorce lawyers, the entire enterprise will have been worthwhile.

I agree with your larger point that Palladium could use greater focus outside of the immediate Bay Area ingroup. I disagree that it should try to be cool or cultural. We have plenty of fashion and society mags. We live in an accelerating world with increasing leverage to leadership, yet with weak leadership. We also see several high-energy "governance futurism" experiments underway in various countries, from Argentina to China. What we need--and what Palladium is uniquely positioned to provide--is deep dives into exactly what works, what does not work, and why.

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anon_qiju said in #4933 2w ago: received

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I think this idea of trying to flip talented industrialists is misguided. I think the "grill" mindset is inherent to the capitalist way of being. Elon comes closest to transcending it, but seems to have flamed out when he actually tried. It's too early to count him out of course; he could be preparing to go back in some time in future. But in general political men and industrial men are a different species. It is not possible to reformat someone's worldview with a few articles. You have to catch them way earlier and they have to spend their primary energy for a decade thinking about it. That said the point stands that Palladium is addressed to the young prince, not to the cool kids.

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anon_swsu said in #4937 2w ago: received

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Yes, I agree with what 90% of what you said. Palladium's goal isn't to be culturally cool. It is its own thing and seems to have a voice that is different to most in the Bay Area. This is why I feel like most of us like it.

>Palladium could use greater focus outside of the immediate Bay Area ingroup
This is the problem, the Bay Area is notorious for being myopic, insular and parochial. For a place where so many people worship Girardian philosophy so heavily, they sure seem to think and act all the same. I worry about and see signs of a drift of Palladium's voice with some of its writing and online presence.

When people in the Bay Area "try" to be cool and cultural it turns into something like Mark Zuckerberg LARPing as a frat bro but instead coming off as a skin walking sociopath. It's off putting to the general populace, but tech people actually think it's "cool" because the San Fran smug smog is so dense that it lacks any visibility. There's a paradox here of "trying to be cool", and then not just trying at all, and owning it.

This discussion can become quite redundant as we are discussing something that is fairly abstract, but I hope everyone can gauge the essence of what I am saying. I have no issues with the parties, events and social activities at Palladium, they seem fun enough. I worry about the quality of their content.

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anon_weta said in #4949 1w ago: received

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It’s worked before. Past industrialists like Carnegie, Vanderbilt, and Stanford had a far better track record engaging in political and cultural entrepreneurship, beyond narrowly business entrepreneurship, than their successors.

And we have a two good examples today in Thiel and Musk. What the current generation of founders need is inspiration, direction, and a playbook.

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anon_qiju said in #4951 1w ago: received

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Well again they were very different types of men and even then they mostly went along with what was fashionable at the time. You could argue that Palladium then is a vehicle to change elite fashions overall and a vehicle for shaping the aspirations of the next generation of ambitious men, which would be a fine thing. That is a good aspiration for a magazine, and Palladium does a decent job at it. But the thing Palladium gets criticized for here is not *that*, but for sucking up to *current* billionaires and the "social scene" around them. It feels somehow overindexed on Elon. He's obviously an important player and among the most likely to make the right things happen in Washington if only he had the patience and ability to break through the swamp log jam, but also very busy and not likely to take the time to actually change his worldview deeply which is what we ultimately need. Also somehow related, the presence of so many scenester egirls and the perception that people just want to get laid or have a glamorous time actually puts off a lot of the men I would hope would be reached.

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