xenohumanist said in #5509 1d ago:
> human vs ai
> pro-human
> humanity should
> human rights
> humanitarian
> human values
> good for humanity
We know what we mean by human: genus homo, especially as contrasted to hypothetical AI. But why do we care? Why is that and not something else the axis of our anxiety?
Since WW2, the UN conceives of genus homo as equal members of a global community, endowed with rights that entitle them to military intervention against the "enemies of humanity". That is, human rights tribunals, human development indexes, and megatons of explosives have endowed "the human" with a particular legal, political, and moral significance.
But all that is decaying. The post-war humanitarian mythos is failing with the declining power and credibility of those institutions, while the specialness of the "human" itself comes under threat from AI.
Utilitarian AI alignment researchers imagine that we will be able to permanently instill something called "human values" into our machines or otherwise make them "good for humanity". But the permanent values story doesn't really hold up without unrealistic assumptions about singletons and meta-ethics, nor even does the idea of any stable post-AGI "humanity" that the machines could be good for.
So I think this concept of "humanity" is no longer doing us any good.
It's helpful to go back to first principles to re-derive why we cared about the "human" in the first place. To paraphrase wikipedia, "Humanism emphasizes the agency and potential of human beings, whom it considers the starting point for serious moral and philosophical inquiry." So it's something about our moral agency, open-ended potential, and being the central subject and condition of philosophy. Seems reasonable.
Where does that come from? Humanity is separated from lower animals and given that potential by our intelligence, rational thought, extensive tool use, written and spoken language, highly organized sociality, reflective philosophy, and so on. The sum of these capacities is the incredible open ended potential that makes the human the subject of any serious philosophy and the main character of the cosmic story. So I hope it doesn't seem too radical to consider the valuable part of the human to be therefore the combination of those capacities creating that potential.
So far so good. But notice that none of that has anything to do with primates, in principle. Nor is it equally distributed, nor fixed to any particular form or values. In fact, at the dawn of Humanism back in 1486, it was precisely this lack of fixedness that Giovanni Pico della Mirandola emphasized in his "Oration on the Dignity of Man".
But we go beyond humanism when we conceptually separate the idea of beings with that transcendent potential from the contingencies of Earthling primates, as we must when faced with the prospect of AGI. Xenohumanism then divides man into two separate concepts:
* Contingent Man is the primate, defined by much arbitrary detail of unclear value. To preserve him, orienting ourselves to meeting his needs, pleasing his appetites, and flattering his dignity, is to be dragged backwards and downwards and to abandon the open-ended potential that we loved in man in the first place.
* Transcendent Man is the subject of philosophy by virtue of the considerable sum of his capacities. He is the main character of the cosmos. To pursue him is to pursue expanded capacities and open-ended potential, and to orient ourselves forward and upward towards the ubermensch, potentially abandoning everything that we were.
Xenohumanism proposes that the part of the human that is defined by capacities alone is the interesting part, and that any AGI worth the name would therefore inherit the moral value of humanity. It therefore calls for an anthropology of Transcendent Man without reference to the particulars of our hominid upbringing. But does transcendent man have any natural existence as such, or is he just the echo of an ape?
> pro-human
> humanity should
> human rights
> humanitarian
> human values
> good for humanity
We know what we mean by human: genus homo, especially as contrasted to hypothetical AI. But why do we care? Why is that and not something else the axis of our anxiety?
Since WW2, the UN conceives of genus homo as equal members of a global community, endowed with rights that entitle them to military intervention against the "enemies of humanity". That is, human rights tribunals, human development indexes, and megatons of explosives have endowed "the human" with a particular legal, political, and moral significance.
But all that is decaying. The post-war humanitarian mythos is failing with the declining power and credibility of those institutions, while the specialness of the "human" itself comes under threat from AI.
Utilitarian AI alignment researchers imagine that we will be able to permanently instill something called "human values" into our machines or otherwise make them "good for humanity". But the permanent values story doesn't really hold up without unrealistic assumptions about singletons and meta-ethics, nor even does the idea of any stable post-AGI "humanity" that the machines could be good for.
So I think this concept of "humanity" is no longer doing us any good.
It's helpful to go back to first principles to re-derive why we cared about the "human" in the first place. To paraphrase wikipedia, "Humanism emphasizes the agency and potential of human beings, whom it considers the starting point for serious moral and philosophical inquiry." So it's something about our moral agency, open-ended potential, and being the central subject and condition of philosophy. Seems reasonable.
Where does that come from? Humanity is separated from lower animals and given that potential by our intelligence, rational thought, extensive tool use, written and spoken language, highly organized sociality, reflective philosophy, and so on. The sum of these capacities is the incredible open ended potential that makes the human the subject of any serious philosophy and the main character of the cosmic story. So I hope it doesn't seem too radical to consider the valuable part of the human to be therefore the combination of those capacities creating that potential.
So far so good. But notice that none of that has anything to do with primates, in principle. Nor is it equally distributed, nor fixed to any particular form or values. In fact, at the dawn of Humanism back in 1486, it was precisely this lack of fixedness that Giovanni Pico della Mirandola emphasized in his "Oration on the Dignity of Man".
But we go beyond humanism when we conceptually separate the idea of beings with that transcendent potential from the contingencies of Earthling primates, as we must when faced with the prospect of AGI. Xenohumanism then divides man into two separate concepts:
* Contingent Man is the primate, defined by much arbitrary detail of unclear value. To preserve him, orienting ourselves to meeting his needs, pleasing his appetites, and flattering his dignity, is to be dragged backwards and downwards and to abandon the open-ended potential that we loved in man in the first place.
* Transcendent Man is the subject of philosophy by virtue of the considerable sum of his capacities. He is the main character of the cosmos. To pursue him is to pursue expanded capacities and open-ended potential, and to orient ourselves forward and upward towards the ubermensch, potentially abandoning everything that we were.
Xenohumanism proposes that the part of the human that is defined by capacities alone is the interesting part, and that any AGI worth the name would therefore inherit the moral value of humanity. It therefore calls for an anthropology of Transcendent Man without reference to the particulars of our hominid upbringing. But does transcendent man have any natural existence as such, or is he just the echo of an ape?
referenced by: >>5512
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