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Is the faction of truth going to amount to anything?

anon_cywa said in #5525 3w ago: received

Despite all the disorganization and confused populism, it seems there is something of a new world coming into being from "the right". It's young, secular, nationalistic, technocratic, irreverent, and anticorruption. It is what drove the energy of Trump's campaign and others around the world. It occasionally goes by the name "populist" but only because its popular support massively outweighs its funding and support from established institutions.

"Populism", which is to say the uninterpreted whims of the majority against the elites, undersells what's actually going on. What's really going on is that the established elites and institutions are wrong and often corrupt, and failing as a result. The power of this inchoate new right isn't just popular resentment, it's the truth. What truth is it, exactly? This hasn't yet been fully articulated, even if we all know some pieces of the story. But whether or not you fully understand it, the truth is always eventually decisive. And truth has been the most important coordination mechanism these new players have. The best name I've heard for at least the vanguard intellectual part is "the faction of truth", coined by BAP.

For concreteness, here are some of the projects I have in mind which share a dialect of online right wing ideas and goals (as opposed to normie conservative projects). Many of them read each other even if they don't all fully know of each other:

* Major online philsopher-posters like BAP, Moldbug, etc.
* The Mission Party/MBL in Brazil: Young technocratic Brazillian anti-corruption reformists.
* Free State Party in New Hampshire: Well organized libertarians with good leadership.
* Patriot Front and the Active Clubs: organized underground patriotic networks.
* J'Accuse, Amarna Forum Diaspora, and Meritocracy: high IQ zoomer political philsophy.
* Interesting debates like Moldbug vs Kaiser on American mythology.
* Spencer Pratt's anti-communism in LA.
* Passage Press, Imperium Press, Antelope Hill: vaguely FoT-aligned book publishers.
* What's going on with the Ulster militias?
* Zcash mafia: billionaires making Zcash "a thing" before we all get gulaged in 2029.
* Rufo and Shirley style anti-corruption activism
* Palladium and other independent political philosophy magazines.
* Augustus Doricko's "Gundo" DIY industrial policy project and similar in SF.
* "Return to the Land" and other "white self-association" experiments.
* "New Founding", "David Network", and other sorts of classier right wing societies and networks.
* Nick Allen's "Sovereign House" and new "Reign" project in New York.

These projects are a big slice of what's interesting right now because they aren't obviously compromised by existing political dysfunction, and have interesting energy and ideas. Some obviously much more serious and advanced than others. Of course they have their own dysfunctions but my hunch is that new things might come from these sorts of fringes.

The worry is that if all they have is forbidden truth and are unable to cohere beyond that, they will be of interest to philosophers but not really to serious statesmen because they will have serious coordination scaling limits even if anything took off. The truth as such is never enough. You don't have to lie but you do need some kind of leadership and vision beyond the bare truth. You need some *particular* truth that makes a demanding standard of association. But maybe there's something actually there in the necessary solutions to corruption, the Nietzschean philosophy, the nationalistic interests, and the convergence on certain historical reference points that will inspire real coordination. If there is, we may see a new world. If not, these projects will be just a reactionary epiphenomenon of the ongoing decline of the west.

But I'm very curious what others make of this extended space. Did I miss any? Do you have a different diagnosis?

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anon_lybi said in #5529 3w ago: received

>You need some *particular* truth that makes a demanding standard of association

Other than "obviously wrong leftist ideological commitments are wrong," have we actually figured out any significant truths? Seriously asking.

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buryatarcher said in #5548 3w ago: received

We honestly just need more funding at Palladium. I've sort of kept it going at personal expense and some say they love the energy of the last few weeks, this is because I'm trying to get it ready for the final make or wrap up fundraise for it. Not sustainable.

The goal is to get the magazine a full-time staff of at least two people, rather than half-time just me trying to do everything (impossible). Maybe four people, like the magazine had prior to November 2023.

If any of the super talented young zoomers want to take it over from me super happy to meet and hire, though we can't pay full time until we grow it.

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anon_kuma said in #5549 3w ago: received

Trump's election discontinued DEI and shut down the radical NGO spigot that the government provided. The problem is that the time of easy victories are over, the challenges now could be fatal to the emergence of a predominant right that recognizes the value of basic scientific knowledge and civilization. Just look at the liver king threatening Rogan, everything is becoming more primitive and uncouth.

Will America as we know it survive this century? Or will our fate resemble the present day of a nation abroad?

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anon_zosw said in #5551 3w ago: received

>>5529
The point of "Faction of Truth" as I always understood it was *faction*, i.e. getting *institutional power* behind "obviously wrong leftist ideological commitments are wrong" so that we can produce results like https://x.com/nathancofnas/status/2093037465871540528.

Our clique of eggheads has also got some significant truths e.g. Samo's recent "Civilization before history" video, the AI theology stuff, theory on the nature of industry from Samo and Marko and Ben, ongoing work in Quigley's tradition, etc etc. But from the perspective of the wider Faction of Truth, the egghead stuff is important because it gives air cover to the most basic and obvious truths. We don't need every senator and every immigration clerk to understand the true nature of the Bronze Age Collapse or whatever. We do need them to feel like the people with intellectual authority have their backs when they say that two and two make four.

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buryatarcher said in #5552 3w ago: received

>>5551
There is an interview with Cofnas in the works btw.

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There is an intervie received

anon_peby said in #5554 2w ago: received

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>>5548
Can you not like, just run 2-page anime recruitment ads for palantir/anduril? Given the small readership base, the most effective monetization seems to be its readership selectivity?

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anon_syqe said in #5557 2w ago: received

>>5525
what is moldbug vs kaiser? tried searching it up and all. got nothing out of it.

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anon_xide said in #5591 17h ago: received

>>5557

Kaiser is https://x.com/KaiserLoengramm; he had a debate with Curtis Yarvin (moldbug), referenced on X. Not sure where the debate was though, if via X posts or recorded. You can look at Kaiser's X account though to see if you can find it.

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Kaiser is https://x. received

anon_syqe said in #5595 16h ago: received

>>5591
much obliged anon

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anon_cywa said in #5601 11h ago: received

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Kaiser and Moldbug have been fighting over the matter of American mythology. Broadly Moldbug takes the loyalist line, Kaiser takes the Jeffersonian Saxonist and Americanist line. I caught up with Moldbug recently and asked him for clarification of his position. His fundamental position is that "the american revolution" as a right wing foundation of a new country is a myth. He says basically it was actually two revolutions, an initial radical whig left wing revolution that had much "legitimacy" in the broader proto-woke anglosphere, and then a second right wing revolution to fix the insane consequences of that. The second revolution was the constitutional convention, which installed itself in the name of the first revolution but was actually a repudiation of it. Nobody on left or right could tell this story accurately: the leftists don't want to admit that their shit failed and needed to be fixed by a right wing counter-revolution. The right doesn't want to admit that their right wing counter-revolution actually happened, because the leftist mythology holds the legitimacy of the thing together. The problem is that now we're stuck in this leftist mythology in which some asshole can always escalate towards more insane leftism by interpreting "all men are created equal" ever more literally and piously. So the modern right in simping for "muh constitution", the declaration, and generally the myths of the republic are inescapably pwned by the left, who can play those symbols better than they can. The antidote, says Moldbug, is to tell the truth. Maybe the Canadians (pre-1960s) were right?

Kaiser meanwhile, if I can paraphrase his position (I'll try to talk to him in more detail too), says that the American founding was always an assertion of anglo saxon racial self-determination against the corruption of the old world, and the symbols of the American founding are now just the symbols of our actual people and ethnostate. It's an interesting position and he has done a lot of good work documenting how all the stuff Jefferson said *other* than "all men are created equal" was basically proto-nazi (for the record, Hitler said that too, and meant it against the class system. Interesting historical curiosity in how much Hitler was just doing Americanism in Germany, now obscured by post-war mythology about both).

You can find the ongoing debate on both of their twitter accounts.

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anon_wany said in #5602 9h ago: received

>>5601

thanks for the recap. some quick reactions:

The 2nd American revolution that delivered the constitution, was right wing relative to the articles of confederation but was left wing relative to status quo before the revolution. We see similar dynamics in many revolutions where there's a spectrum, to simplify, of 3 factions: jacobins, liberals, monarchists.

In many ways Napoleon, Louis Philippe as well as what the French call the 'good revolution' were more along liberal lines. And the reign of terror was the revolution eating itself. I think Moldbug has a point that too often the liberalism is eaten by the left. But I disagree that this is necessarily pre-ordained. Although in the case of the American Revolution, it's most enduring legacy has been the declaration of independence written by Jefferson who leaned more Jacobin.

But I think many people, or at least myself, want a more classically liberal regime (e.g. more republican less democratic, functional congress and governance by rule of law, with strong property rights and ordered liberty), as opposed to being maximally right wing and going back to 'god and king'. So claiming for example that the American revolution was a mistake etc. is not necessarily 'telling the truth'. But there were indeed two factions: the federalists and anti-federalists. The federalists were more right wing, and included in their ranks John Adams, Washington and Hamilton. They did lose power unfortunately but I for one strongly favor the Federalist / Hamiltonian faction.

thanks for the recap received

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