in thread "States are tools and territory for peoples, not magical repositories of real interest": we are talking past each other, and we keep making the same argument over and over again. so let me oblige: aren't there immigrants capable of positive sum contributions? this is not an argument to expand the stem opt or the o1 visa as is. this is not an a... 22h ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.8 4.8 we are talking past (view hidden) log in to judge received 4.8 4.8 What makes a people, a people aren't merely shared interests, but rather shared understanding of who they are. Ideally the self-conception of a people would be one that furthers their interests. I call this ideology-country fit. And the American people in ... 5h ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.8 2.8 What makes a people, (view hidden) log in to judge received 2.8 2.8