in thread "When are you turning in your natty card?": Yes, PED side effects never seem worth it to me, however much I'd like some help to gain more muscle. Mike Israetel is super clear about their downsides, and about his belief they have taken a few years off his life.... 5d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.7 2.7 Yes, PED side effect (view hidden) log in to judge received 2.7 2.7