in thread "States are tools and territory for peoples, not magical repositories of real interest": Great posts in this thread OP but like I said in the other thread: we're long past the stage of "arguments" when it comes to immigration.... 16h ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.8 5.8 3.4 3.4 Great posts in this (view hidden) log in to judge received 5.8 5.8 3.4 3.4