in thread "Spenglerism with East Asian characteristics": So, this is the question... The bureaucrats and the industrialists have certain goals which are somewhat in conflict. The bureaucrats absolutely cannot have the place divided, but it might be better for the industrialists if they had some capacity to self-... 14mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3 So, this is the ques (view hidden) log in to judge received 1.3 1.3