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anon 0x1dc said in #1482 13mo ago: 1212

(https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2024/04/19/gundo-bros-silicon-valley-military/)

Thank goodness I can just Ctrl-A Ctrl-P before the paywall shows up. That was a close one. It does appear that Silicon Valley wants to appear more chad, so to speak. Perhaps nerds have too much of a reputation for being hunchbacked and quiet, as the article mentions. Ergonomics are a very worthy and interesting topic of inquiry, so that definitely deserves its own thread.

America *is* the rightful inheritor of the First World Government from Britain, and being able to deploy force at a planetary scale is part of that responsibility, so there is a place for missiles and rockets. But are they effective against the real enemy?

I looked to President Eisenhower in his inaugural address for guidance (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisen1.asp). In his words:

>At such a time in history, we who are free must proclaim anew our faith. This faith is the abiding creed of our fathers. It is our faith in the deathless dignity of man, governed by eternal moral and natural laws.

>The enemies of this faith know no god but force, no devotion but its use. They tutor men in treason. They feed upon the hunger of others. Whatever defies them, they torture, especially the truth.

And so I would like to ask, how can we defend ourselves better against the true enemies of freedom?

referenced by: >>1484

Thank goodness I can 1212

anon 0x1dd said in #1483 13mo ago: 77 11

From the article:
>But conflicts in Ukraine, Gaza, and rising tensions with China, have made the idea of El Segundo a dog whistle for patriotic college students looking to build tech for the battlefield.
>a fridge with 50 pounds of ground beef and racks of Monster energy drinks to feed the group

There is a place for stimulants, perhaps during an actual military operation. But building the future also requires sleep, and time for contemplation. Looking at this article, one can't help but wonder, what kind of future is being funded here? Anyway, I hope that we are getting enough sleep.

From Eisenhower's speech:
>No person, no home, no community can be beyond the reach of this call. We are summoned to act in wisdom and in conscience, to work with industry, to teach with persuasion, to preach with conviction, to weigh our every deed with care and with compassion. For this truth must be clear before us: whatever America hopes to bring to pass in the world must first come to pass in the heart of America.

Truer words were never spoken. May God bless you, and may God forever bless these United States of America.

From the article: .. 77 11

anon 0x1de said in #1484 13mo ago: 1212 22

>>1482
> America *is* the rightful inheritor of the First World Government ...

So we can defend trans rights in Ukraine?

> ... the true enemies of freedom

Like the ones in DC?

You have to be a shallow normie to give unqualified rah-rah support to the present regime. Our energy should be going into how we can replace that regime, not more effectively bomb some other country.

referenced by: >>1491 >>1526

So we can defend tra 1212 22

anon 0x1df said in #1485 13mo ago: 1111 11

El Segundo is in my mind the #1 example of What We Want: young men actively and unapologetically building new industry. All the relevant mimetics (Red Bull and Zyn Americana) must be appropriated for building the Gundo of the next regime. I can't really blame young men for taking advantage of the only industry willing to fund skunkworks like projects.

referenced by: >>1486 >>1500 >>1501 >>1526

El Segundo is in my 1111 11

anon 0x1de said in #1486 13mo ago: 99 22

>>1485
I'm not at all against the young men in El Segundo. Some of them are smart guys doing good work.

I'm against valorizing El Segundo to the extent that is serves the present regime rather than a future one. And I think the latter concern is vastly more important than Red Bull and Zyn.

referenced by: >>1493 >>1526

I'm not at all again 99 22

anon 0x1e4 said in #1491 13mo ago: 22

>>1484
>So we can defend trans rights in Ukraine?

Let's be careful about our thought here. BAP writes in Bronze Age Mindset regarding this phenomenon of the 'modern homosexual', extended to transsexuals elsewhere.

>The problem of the modern homosexual is revealing because it is the model according to which many other kinds of higher life have been thwarted and warped into something else.

>Paglia’s restatement of Freud is correct, but she misses an important element of the story, which is why such a boy turns away from the masculinity of his peers in the first place. It is not horseplay or the roughness of male competition as such that makes him turn away, but the utterly fake or artificial character of such displays, usually, in our time. Such boy perceives what his peers don’t, the conditional and entirely dependent character of life in our age.

>This is the unusual part of this realization, that some of the most sensitive and perceptive youths, those maybe imbued with spark of inspiration and a conquering, expanding spirit, end up becoming the vanguard of that which has smothered and broken them.

We must focus our attention on what exactly has smothered and broken higher life. I pray that they find us, before the thing forces something irreversible upon them.

>Like the ones in DC?

Are the various branches of government in DC responsible for the algorithmic mismanagement of our collective psychology?

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anon 0x1df said in #1493 13mo ago: 77

>>1486
Got it. Given that this space is already so against the present regime I have the opposite concern, that we would correctly identify that they serve that regime and so discard the opportunity to grasp onto the culture that works at attracting strong men to their cause.

The underlying question is recurring in these spaces: whence capital? You can't do new industrialism without it.

referenced by: >>1494 >>1501 >>1526

Got it. Given that t 77

anon 0x1de said in #1494 13mo ago: 66 22

>>1493
> ... whence capital? ...

That's exactly my concern. Capital needs to be attracted and directed well, not chased where it is being misdirected.

referenced by: >>1500

That's exactly my co 66 22

anon 0x1de said in #1497 13mo ago: 66 22

>>1491
> BAP writes in Bronze Age Mindset regarding this phenomenon of the 'modern homosexual' ...

I'm well aware of BAP's diagnosis of homosexuality. I'm not contesting it. I'm arguing that the regime that directs its military energies overseas to creating protected spaces for homosexuality, etc., is not the regime that we should be investing in.

BAP has explicitly addressed Ukraine, by the way, and his position on it is pretty much identical to mine.

I'm well aware of BA 66 22

anon 0x1e7 said in #1500 13mo ago: 55

>>1485
Building industry is very good. The culture around Gundo is fun, and strikes all the right people as unserious, so I am not going to knock it. A fear I do have is that chasing any market has a democratizing influence. So for the subset of these new businesses that are chasing US Gov dollars, there is the risk that the organization grows in a way that internalizes whatever current US Gov values are (e.g. Ukraine). That will stay baked into the organization forever, so unless the founder is politically virtuous it is a dangerous game. You can see a similar thing among various “wrongthinkfluencers” and contrarians who otherwise express useful political opinions with glaring exceptions around immigration, which happens to be very useful for them, their businesses, and their investments.

>>1494
I would love to see people with capital be a little more ambitious than American Dynamism. Musk wants to open a college, not sure what happened to that, and not sure I can take the effort seriously at this time, but I am willing to, because it’s a vision of something more than whatever other very wealthy people are doing.

Reindustrialization? Drop the Delaware Cs. How about a “service organization” dedicated to engineering (a sort of Engineers *With* Borders) with fascist (or, if you’re shy, muscular) aesthetics?

referenced by: >>1526

Building industry is 55

anon 0x1e8 said in #1501 13mo ago: 66

>>1485
>All the relevant mimetics (Red Bull and Zyn Americana) must be appropriated for building the Gundo of the next regime.
>>1493
>I have the opposite concern, that we would correctly identify that they serve that regime and so discard the opportunity to grasp onto the culture that works at attracting strong men to their cause.

Agreed. We must get beyond the nerd/jock, software/hardware, scholar/warrior dichotomies and start working together to defend our faith against our enemies. Perhaps we can explore the mimetics a little:

* mullets - shared symbology, as mentioned in >>1313. I suppose mullets are a fine option.
* nicotine pouches and energy drinks, so stimulants - I would avoid drugs in general (also see >>596). Instead of excessive amounts of caffeine let us learn from the ancient roman patricians of the value of an afternoon siesta, from sexta, since it is to be taken at the sixth hour of daylight. This is what evolution has mandated for most of our species to have peak productivity. I hear that it is still done in some chinese factories today. We also need quality meat. Good quality beef, pork, perhaps seafood? I hear that sushi is in vogue. But as >>1395 mentioned whale might have too much mercury and cadmium. Any vegetables served will be so delicious as to be irresistible.
* pumping iron - great, all young men should be doing some of that *safely*. I know that many of our nerds have become hunchbacked and that this is not good for a healthy range of motion. Proper equipment such as split keyboards with the ability to rotate in solid angles (https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/tripod-kit) and education on ergonomics and anatomy can fix this.
* weekly bonfires on the beach - yes, nature time is essential, as is sun. Our re-barbarization effort can go even further.

As for capital, well, my bet is that the funds have to come from the places that our young knights are defending. Our young knights should *know* who their fellow free peoples are. And the place where freedom is most under threat is the first island chain from the East Asian continental mainland coast. If America cedes hegemony in Asia to China, China will have even *more* economic leverage over America and its protectorates in Asia, especially the industrial powers of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, than it already does. And the most important part of the first island chain, is Taiwan. I do not believe that the governing authorities on the mainland want war, they pursue a policy of party-state developmentalism whose legitimacy is predicated on economic growth. But as Elbridge Colby points out, the *means* by which economic and political leverage are obtained, are with military threats (https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/). American drones seem to require improvement (https://www.wsj.com/world/how-american-drones-failed-to-turn-the-tide-in-ukraine-b0ebbac3), is this the place for us to turn our attention to?

referenced by: >>1505 >>1526

Agreed. We must get 66

anon 0x1ec said in #1505 13mo ago: 22

>>1501
>American drones seem to require improvement

I'm not sure that drones are what's really needed for deterring the PRC. This backlog of weapons deliveries is perhaps the real problem (https://www.wsj.com/world/delayed-u-s-weapons-raise-taiwans-vulnerability-to-invasion-d98c6635)

>Taiwan has ordered some $19 billion in American missiles, rocket launchers and other weapons to help it defend itself against threats from Beijing. The only problem: U.S. delivery on many of those orders is years away.
>Taiwan's international isolation and dependence on the U.S. has kept its defense industry relatively underdeveloped. Taiwan's biggest weapons producer is the National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology, which specializes in missile production and has moved to increase output.
>Details of missile stocks and production capacity aren’t publicly available but defense analysts estimate Taiwan can produce around 120 antiship missiles a year, and slightly fewer air-defense missiles.
>Su Tzu-yun, an analyst at Taiwan’s Institute for National Defense and Security Research, said Taiwan needed around 2,000 antiship missiles and 4,000 air-defense missiles in its stockpile.

Yeah we are really distracted by the circus the thing puts on.

I'm not sure that dr 22

anon 0x1de said in #1512 13mo ago: 66 22

>>1505

> Yeah we are really distracted by the circus the thing puts on.

In the spirit of "the purpose of a system is what it does," one could argue that U.S. has already tacitly conceded Taiwan to the PRC. U.S. elites are more interested in Ukraine, not out of any geopolitical strategy, but simply because this is what better materially feeds the military-industrial complex, along with neocon psychological gratification.

referenced by: >>1531

In the spirit of "th 66 22

anon 0x1f9 said in #1526 13mo ago: 77

>>1484
>>1485
As someone more on the "new regime" side of things, I'm a fan of the gundo boys. The new regime always incorporates the functional, forward-looking, and energetic parts of the old regime, and some of the best parts to have around would be an industrial ecosystem that's overtly patriotic and actively useful while still being canny enough to keep their heads politically. I think the gundo boys are promising in that light. They will become more powerful, and they are friends. Don't overthink.

>>1486
good point that what they should be valorized for is their political and industrial potential, not their service to the current mess.

>>1493
this is the correct concern. Don't be so contrary to the current order that you remove yourself from play.

>>1500
>chasing a market is democratizing, corrupting
interesting point. That should be read by us as an imperative to get to them first. When i went and talked to the gundo boys I saw a lot of the right energy and some really canny characters, but some of them are still naive. We should be backing up the more political among them (it's a good sign that the more political they are, the more they are on the right side of things).

>a “service organization” dedicated to engineering
That's a cool idea. You should elaborate.

>>1501
>drugs bad; meat, mullets, muscles, and mannerbund good
concur

As someone more on t 77

anon 0x1fd said in #1531 13mo ago: 22

>>1512

Did anyone say that the ROC has conceded the mainland?

Did anyone say that 22

anon 0x210 said in #1566 13mo ago: 22

>is this the place for us to turn our attention to?

Why aren't the likes of a16z funding space missions? Drones seem relatively uninteresting compared to a space race.

Why aren't the likes 22

anon 0x1f9 said in #1568 13mo ago: 55

>>1566
space isn't very bourgeois (profitable) yet. Once Elon gets Starship going, just you wait. Spaceism is going to be the next big meme. Everyone will have an orbital manufacturing solar powered AI datacenter asteroid mining startup. Just thinking about it is so glorious that I suspect I'm coping.

space isn't very bou 55

anon 0x212 said in #1570 13mo ago: 55 22

>>1566
What are you talking about? They absolutely are. Software money and talent created SpaceX and Blue Origin and Stratolaunch. The space race today is between Starship and Chang'e.

What are you talking 55 22

anon 0x2ce said in #1890 11mo ago: 88

>>1505
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rebuilding-us-inventories-six-critical-systems

DoD magazine depth is nowhere near enough to defend Taiwan let alone supply allies. DoD has previously strategized around being able to fight a two front conflict. That has rapidly become a pipedream.

Separately, drones/UAS are useful for many things. However, most if not all of the components are made in China. There are no US manufacturers of small electric motors. Even carbon fiber is manufactured by large defense primes and a few small mom and pop companies.

referenced by: >>1896

https://www.csis.org 88

anon 0x2cf said in #1891 11mo ago: 1111

Here's my honest opinion as someone involved in VC-backed defensetech:

The American empire is crumbling, it's time to pillage the wreckage. This gathers resources and the weapons to safeguard them for whatever comes next. If I'm wrong I can stay safely ensconced inside the regime with no fallout. There's not a lot of downsides.

referenced by: >>1896

Here's my honest opi 1111

anon 0x2d1 said in #1894 11mo ago: 88 22

Do not listen to the siren calls of the liberal military industry. The playbook in Ukraine is more evident every day. Force the last remaining healthy white American and European youth to die in a pointless war to finish the demographic replacement with Arabs, Africans, Mexicans and Indians. And if Ukraine is not sufficient there will always be Taiwan and China.

referenced by: >>1896

Do not listen to the 88 22

anon 0x2d3 said in #1896 11mo ago: 88

>>1894
I don't doubt there are powerful people who want the replacement of high quality people by the worst of the yet-to-be-civilized, or that that's the default result of modern war. This is why I think war is an insane thing to idealize right now. We should not accept war mobilization under almost any circumstances. But I don't see anything like a regime coordinated enough to pull off a plan. This is a bunch of corrupt old boomers crashing the empire with no survivors for personal gain and to protect their own egos. The defense anon (>>1891) is right: selling weapons is a reasonable way to approach this whole situation and probably a more robust a strategy than many alternatives. It's not really going to stop the collapse of the empire (>>1890 is correct) but it can result in profits and valuable reality-contact for you and your friends, and may turn out to be useful in some future world.

I think part of what's going on is that there is no alternate plan other than the slow death of the American empire, which means letting modern war, industrial mobilization, and post-industrial malaise burn through all the civilization-capable populations. It's a problem of lack, not presence. Even in China or Japan or Korea, where their government is not hostile or motivated by specific ethnic grievances, we see the same problems in different forms, following from the same political-economic pattern and global order.

I guess the big question is what kind of thing you want to be preparing for as you resist getting mobilized yourself and loot the corpse on the way down. What's your superior alternative?

referenced by: >>1897

I don't doubt there 88

anon 0x2d4 said in #1897 11mo ago: 55

>>1896
>What's your superior alternative?

Somewhat inspired by Mr. Liu in the article on Far East Spenglerism (>>1870), I would like to see new nations organized around industrial production. Different nations for different niches.

Taiwan is one of his favorite examples because of the high profile of TSMC and Mr. Jensen Huang of Nvidia. The Taiwanese may complain about working at TSMC but on some level they know that it's guaranteeing their security more than any US weapons purchases because China relies on Nvidia chips. Of course, intellectuals have to appeal to actual affinities on the basis of human and physical geography to raise the vanguard. Modern Taiwan has had the benefit of doing this since the Treaty of Shimonoseki, and it may take a certain level of austerity or the immediate threat of annihilation before the merchants finally get on board, but that still leaves plenty of intellectual work to do in the meantime.

referenced by: >>1899

Somewhat inspired by 55

anon 0x1f9 said in #1899 11mo ago: 66

>>1897
The thing I want to see is reconciling the industrial form of production and warfare with healthy human (selective) breeding. It may not be possible, in which case the breeding is more important. You can have healthy people without industry, but you can't have industry without people (AI hype aside). I'm quite sure we're eventually heading into a serious crisis of capitalism on this point. Capitalism as we have it is unable to account for the production of "human capital" (a disgusting term), so it treats people as a non-renewable resource to be mined out and burned. Who can profit by breeding and training the best?

The AI hype is this stupid capitalist dream of capital and ownership without those pesky workers (that they don't know how to manufacture). It's a fake solution, first of all because the AI is fake and uneconomical. But more secondly and more fundamentally because if the AI could actually do open ended labor, it would not behave like mere capital anymore, but like a political agent. Then you have all the same problems again.

So how do we as a prospective micro-nation find our economic and political niche in the world that is actually sustainable and allows us to increase and improve ourselves instead of burning out our best blood on the altar of Mammon?

referenced by: >>1909

The thing I want to 66

anon 0x303 said in #1980 11mo ago: 00

I looked to President Eisenhower in his inaugural address for guidance

Read his farewell address you absolute retard. Ride your short bus into the abyss

I looked to Presiden 00

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