The Groyper movement must be studied for anyone wanting to form a revolutionary mass in the modern era. I get if you dislike Fuentes for his low IQ anti-semitism, but his meteoric rise from the first Groyper war against Charlie Kirk to Kirk’s assassination highlights something pivotal among Nick and his followers. Practically no figure on the right barring Ben Shapiro and perhaps Jordan Peterson have earned the same rise that Nick has. What earned Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson their fame in the public was being great funnels for a counter-reaction against the left in the 2010s. Practically since the 2008 election until 2016 the left was running circles around the right. Many people wanted to refute the left’s mesmerizing aesthetics and academic prowess, yet they lacked the right figures to fit the bill until Ben and Jordan Peterson entered. Let the endless hours of liberal owned compilations speak for how they reached celebrity status.
Where are they now though? Both the right wing intelligentsia and followers have moved on from where they were at 2016. The reason for their popularity was to be a funnel for the counter-reaction against the left/wokeness. Once those two variables died down, the need for those funnels died down with them. On top of that these figures were very static, they didn’t provide exciting and novel ideas anymore. It seems like for a while they’ve been rehashing the same talking points about fighting libtards and being a slight pillar to neo-cons. As such, we saw an explosion on the right of people who could be a funnel for the counter-reaction against these right wing wimps. The figure which represents the climax of this phase is Andrew Tate. He practically stood against the values that the Shapiro-Peterson axes stood for, whether that be flaunting money, bragging about getting pussy, or being excessively edgy & a great rage baiter. Especially after the left’s intrusive and brash actions during the early 2020s with the lockdowns and BLM riots, many yearned for change and someone to funnel their grievances through, and Tate so provided. His flamboyant attitude was popular among young guys tired of the same crap Shapiro and Peterson fed them for so long.
During this second period of popular RW dissemination another figure began rising in popularity, Nick Fuentes. Nick seemingly did much of the same thing that Andrew Tate and others did, he was edgy, loud, and novel. But if they did much of the same things, why has Nick’s name reached new highs while Tate’s is old news? It’s Nick’s dynamism.
Nick positioned himself from 2017-22 as someone outside of the Overton right. The ready made slogans and jokes were great for when people wanted something more from the right besides Shapiro & Peterson. Between 2022-2024 the groyper movement expanded with it by 2025 being a mainstream faction well known in many households. During the pivotal period between 2022-2024 Nick sidelined Trump many times and shifted his stances based on what the establishment right threw out. In today’s world Nick continues to deconstruct stale right wing aesthetics like with the fetishization of alternative health, the gym, obsessing over LoTR, the demonization of fast food, etc. These moves are critical for the right. Where many movements fail at is that it crystallizes into the same boring aesthetics that can’t be anything more than what they currently are. The Robespierre phase of the French Revolution died because of how Robespierre and the others like him weren’t able to shift gears based on the overall environment. By chasing their idealized république, their tunneled vision caused a reign of terror which alienated most Frenchmen throughout the ordeal.
Nick Fuentes is ultimately a Genghis Khan in the modern American right. While Shapiro, Peterson, and Tate were comfortable with their lot after they’ve said their spiels, Nick is a dynamic organic force who gives to his groyper retinue the battles, speeches, and wars that young men want.
> Nick Fuentes is ultimately a Genghis Khan in the modern American right.
Lmao even. You are lucky to be anonymous, what an embarrassing take.
My brother in Christ, Nick is a retarded edgelord, the mirror image of someone like Hasan Piker. Like Hasan, he lives for likes and subscribes. Unlike the soy turk, he has a smaller audience, which is lucky, because both of them are actually a net NEGATIVE to their respective side.
I’ve seen speculation that Nick is controlled opposition. A honeypot for young rightoids. Whether this is true or not is beside the point… even if entirely organic, the Fuentards are a liability.
>>4739 >Lmao even. You are lucky to be anonymous, what an embarrassing take.
I said it to be provocative since I know he isn’t too liked over here. I’m not even a groyper myself, but I see the necessity of Nick in digesting raw RW takes to prevent the new right’s crystallization.
We’re not in 2022 anymore where Nick is just some dude in his mom’s basement recording livestreams. He’s a very important player on the right, and maybe the only RW guy who resonates with young people to a strong degree. Recently it’s been even said that around 30-40% of Gen Z staffers at Capitol Hill being groypers. While maybe inflated this does show how prominent Nick is on the right
The only major problem with groypers is that they’re kinda retarded. They’re the definition of low IQ anti semitism. Ultimately though I think they’ll synthesize their movement with other new right movements which have a good academic backbone.
>>4741 >Yet you just compared Fuentes to Ghenghis Khan, earning instant gold in the dickriding Olympics. I just said that I said it to be provocative nigga
> You’re right. The rw youth don’t like Trump anymore. They refer to Miller as a “washed unc”. What they really love is a gay Mexican. “Hurr durr guys Nick is just uh gay twink uh degenerate erm faggy Mexican !” Just say you have a hate boner for Nick. It’d be faster to type than whatever you just wrote.
> By who?
Rod Dreher, a close confidant of JD Vance, wrote that in his Substack. While I don’t buy that it could be more than 5-10% of staffers, the sheer size of it should tell you something. I doubt he’d just make that up for shits and giggles unless he didn’t care about his reputation.
>>4738 I remember a discussion years ago with some American conservatives who were talking about the most potent and beneficial ways to market their own brand of elite-convergence theory, borrowed mostly from NRx sociology (with some warmed-over Althusser and Agamben in there, too). They dreamed of a populist alliance arrayed against the rulers of the world. But what should they call them? One wag piped up: "The Jews." Everyone fell about. How wicked! Of course, setting aside one crucial aspect of American foreign policy, the antisemitic propaganda is mostly false, but it provides a good, timeless name for the enemy—the bloodsuckers, the bosses, the pornographers, the rootless cosmopolitans, the slave trader, the usurer... For better or worse, the suggestion was treated as simply a gag. These were sweet, young intellectuals after all, who knew better than to indulge in "low IQ anti-semitism."
That's just a story that came to mind.
Reading a description of Nick Fuentes as a savvy political operator is disorienting. I took him as one of many young, angry social media stars, tapping into his generation's disgust with deteriorating material conditions, widespread misery, etc.—without a plan beyond a mild nationalism. If anything you've written is true, I wish him luck.
Fuentes has done a lot of good and useful stuff but his crippling pathological narcissism means that he's only ever going to be a guy-outside-the-real-game. He is constitutionally unable to form relationships or coalitions because his narcissism is just too overwhelming
He gets a lot of hate, and justifiably so, but he has done a very good job bringing awareness and heat on Jewish power. He will keep on doing his thing and keep on being useful in this way for a while still, imo
> Fuentes has done a lot of good and useful stuff but his crippling pathological narcissism means that he's only ever going to be a guy-outside-the-real-game. He is constitutionally unable to form relationships or coalitions because his narcissism is just too overwhelming
I agree, and on top of that he’s a terrible leader. He’ll only drag down the right if he’s not in some subordinate position as some Goebbles. But I think he may be a necessary domino that’ll lead us to a great figure who could redefine modern American politics.
How do you explain the racism coming from Jews using their control of the media before Elon bought X to classify "white people" as responsible for nonexistent sins?
We know you pop up on this forum to try and advocate for your people, as is natural.
But be specific and it might prevent everyone from getting caught in the crossfire. Is it east coast WASP-wannabe boarding school Ostjuden from the 50s and 60s who are doing this?
>>4738 not only does this feel partially generated by a chatbot, it's laughably misled. Fuentes has only ever been, in my experience, an obstacle to more intelligent and driven thinkers on the right. One of the only good things about him is he isn't smart enough to challenge NRx (one of the only, albeit majorly flawed, factions worth a damn on the new right), and really doesn't understand BAP either despite claiming to. His networks are infamous for cultlike indoctrination attempts, blackmail, and generally disreputable or evil behavior. He is a pundit, a media personality without a "media", and constantly flipflops on "takes" for views. tl,dr; if you tried to think up someone who's both maximally appealing and maximally damaging to the central causes of the RW, Fuentes is your man. I find it difficult to imagine him doing anything of worth in any sector of society. He played a questionable role in 1/6 too, of course, that absolutely must be mentioned. God knows what he did to escape a prison sentence or to continually avoid the particularly scathing media attention and legal attacks which have been visited on RW "personalities" with even 1/10th his audience.
> tl,dr; if you tried to think up someone who's both maximally appealing and maximally damaging to the central causes of the RW, Fuentes is your man. I find it difficult to imagine him doing anything of worth in any sector of society. He played a questionable role in 1/6 too, of course, that absolutely must be mentioned. God knows what he did to escape a prison sentence or to continually avoid the particularly scathing media attention and legal attacks which have been visited on RW "personalities" with even 1/10th his audience
I agree. I don’t know if I mentioned it or if my opinion on him evolved but I don’t disagree with what’s said here. I’m not saying Nick is the savior of the west or that he’s a good leader. I just think that Nick is a funnel for antipathy of performative worship of certain values in the right like being obsessed with the gym. Groups die because of how they performatively worship things for essentially status games. It’d be best if Nick remains in a small position though and does this on the side, but I think given his mass appeal he’ll gain immense popularity, maybe not to the point where every household knows his name, but to a great degree
>>4768 > Groups die because of how they performatively worship things for essentially status games. Not really correct. It's true that overly insular ideologies with minute appeal shrivel and die under that straining, but the aggregate blob known as "woke" has heavily utilized status-based incentive systems in society to spread incredibly quickly. > I think given his mass appeal he’ll gain immense popularity, maybe not to the point where every household knows his name, but to a great degree I agree, and that's a bad thing.
> but the aggregate blob known as "woke" has heavily utilized status-based incentive systems in society to spread incredibly quickly. Well wokeness died partially due to how people kept witnessing leftists performatively worship their values for status seeking reasons leading to many differentiating themselves by being more left leaning. Consequentially, this led to the left being an insufferable collage of contradictions that invited its end. You’re right though that leftists taking over incentive systems expanded the left’s dominance over the culture for a long time, but it was ultimately only a matter of time until it met its demise.
> I agree, and that's a bad thing. I don’t want to sound prophetic but as Clodius led to Caesar, Nick might be some domino that leads to a great leader on the right taking power. He is definitely a person who shouldn’t have power, but I think he’ll meet his end as someone assassinated at the height of his popularity, but without political power. This is just a hunch though, maybe Nick will just be an irrelevant figure and amount to some forgotten live streamer.
> Well [maga] died partially due to how people kept witnessing [BasedTM media personalities] performatively worship their values for status seeking reasons leading to many differentiating themselves by being more [Heckin Baysed]. Consequentially, this led to the [right] being an insufferable collage of contradictions that invited its end.
See how this works?
A core element of a successful party-state is *merit* and *party discipline*. A party is a living organism that needs an immune system against competitive, performative idiocy within its own coalition, lest it turn into a low IQ parody of itself.
Do you see now why Fuentes must be shot of out a cannon?
Wokeness did not die. Wokeness suffered a temporary defeat, and your analysis of one contributing reason is correct, but it's alive and well. The same people believe the same things and will implement the same plans through the same institutions if they can. It would take one election for the whole thing to come roaring back at least as strong as it was in 2019. Step into any Western country outside the USA and they will literally throw you in jail for racist tweets. We've got three years if we fuck up, maybe seven or eleven years if we play our cards right, and then it all comes back.
Yeah that’s what’s happening. My point is that Nick shuts down this performative worship by mocking it. I don’t know why’re you’re acting smug about this this is the crux of my argument
