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zara said in #5044 2d ago: received

The two most important posts on Sofiechan this year didn't get nearly enough discussion. First, this one: >>5033

> I think that quality thinking about the future of AI is really lacking. [...]
> Notably, basically no one is thinking about either from a hard-right angle or a Palladium-style governance angle.

Second: >>5021

> Most people think of the American Dream as "buy a house, raise a family" – but I think this is cope for what the American Dream actually represented

Let's address both.

Broadly, America has always been about the frontier. Not the goycattle dream of crate ownership, but rather the dream of infinite exploration, expansion, and anabolic action. Minecraft Creative Mode, the country. Originally instantiated as a "New World", escape from the eternal eurocuck, then as Homesteading, finally in the postwar West Coast. But the whole time it was also the heart we're now left with--the technocapital frontier.

And of course, Land is right. We live in an accelerating world. Time compresses. Adoption curves asymptote to the vertical. Information fog-of-war headlight distance becomes ever shorter. Anyone who says they know what the world is like in 2030 is lying.

What does all this mean for the Right? It means we must lose our comfy copes. We've already dispensed with the first cope, the Low Energy Jeb idea that once we fix a few pesky problems we'll be left alone. People who want to win beat people who want to be left alone. Past the comfort of the grill, then, lies the goal: the acquisition and effective use of real political power. Study Missao. The mission is to build the machine.

This brings us to the second cope: the idea that we can go back. "Make America Great Again" is a four-word ode to the past. Nothing against Trump, he is the richly-deserved locust plague that our flabby and flatulent neil degrasse tyson ruling class brought on themselves. He serves a purpose. But it's entirely unreasonable to expect an 80-year-old man to lead us through hyperacceleration.

The lynchpin of the second cope is the idea that AI is fake, that tech is incremental. This is pure boomer brain. If you do not have a $200/mo subscription & a real harness you must find someone TODAY and have them show you. The tip of the spear is putting the AI in a loop with lookups and hard feedback. "Prove this theorem", "don't give up until tests pass", etc. "Play yourself at Go until you can beat all human grandmasters at Go." That last one is a decade old at this point. Boomerbrain has no excuse.

Whatever limitations AI still has, they're rapidly being lifted. I've used it to do in minutes work that would've taken me days.

Past the second cope lies the second goal: to MAKE OUR GUYS RIDE THE WAVEFRONT. As technology accelerates, the cost of being anywhere else increases. The second goal is therefore directly necessary for the first. In darwinian competition between political machines, the one that automates most aggressively will win.

The final challenge is inspiration. How do we extend the power of the machine to as many on our team as possible? How do we turn accelerating progress into something that a critical mass of productive Americans identify with? Here we are tantalizingly close to victory. The left has shown itself reflexively anti-AI, anti-tech. They cower behind truly absurd copes and seethes like "AI is bad because datacenters use too much water" and "Elon is dumb".

So the crown is ours for the taking. Some retards on our side appear to be aligning anti-AI as well; eject them. Our mission is to build superhuman schools, superhuman factories, vast logistics and power sources. To make machine intelligence as symbiotic to the productive frontier American as the horse once was. To hear the wails of a million useless HR ladies and obese DMV chairstains as they are REPLACED. To reorient excess productive capacity toward physical construction, manufacturing, exploration, procreation. The American dream is the same it always was: to walk to the edge of the world, then one step further.

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xenophon said in #5046 1d ago: received

Let's stipulate that Missão + AI is the means. That still leaves the question of ends. What exactly makes our vision Right? There are plenty of leftoids who will also lean into AI, in order to increase the pool for extraction (whether by UBI or in other forms).

At a bare minimum, we must develop strong means of reducing and containing parasitic load. This is a non-trivial problem of governance. In fact, it's regime-complete. It's certainly not solved merely by increased productivity and "building more." The latter is always subject to extraction through political means.

But beyond that, we need a vision that shows the productive, technological future as right and good for man as man, and hence as desirable. This will require, if not a religion, a strong philosophy.

Every regime, including a strong monarchy, rests on consent: not the consent of all, perhaps not the consent of the masses, but at least the consent of a viable elite. That elite must be won over (seduced), and that requires a seductive, well-articulated vision.

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zara said in #5047 1d ago: received

>>5046

Well said.

> At a bare minimum, we must develop strong means of reducing and containing parasitic load. [...]
> It's certainly not solved merely by increased productivity [...] always subject to extraction through political means.

Exactly, as Silicon Valley is finally internalizing. Took a 4'11 commie lawn gnome threatening to simply yoink their possessions but they get it now.

> That elite must be won over (seduced), and that requires a seductive, well-articulated vision.

Yes.

I don't have an answer, but I have two non-answers.

First is the Chinese one. They are big mad that they were stuffed into a locker by the anglo long ago. Century of humiliation! They now have a legitimizing narrative of rectifying this through national pride. Roughly speaking, they have set out to prove "anything they can do, we can do better". So they are speedrunning all Western accomplishments from aircraft carriers, to moon landings, to Ken Block's Gymkhana (theirs using a whirring hypersedan painted grey... look! even faster than Block's subaru!), to Transformers Reloaded-tier slop cinema. Their media has near zero distribution outside mainland China, but that's fine, their box office number is highest. China Numba One. We can do better than that.

Second is the Elon, e/acc cinematic universe. The idea that man should reach for the stars. Hyperautomation... tiling the sky with robotic datacenters powered by square-kilometer solar arrays... gigaton Starship convoys to mars? All of this is good and inspiring, but it's also punting the question. What is it all for?

If we waved a wand right now and achieved Total Elon Victory, we would have robot servants in every house to do your bidding; robot shuttles to drive you anywhere at call of a button; a vast orbital data center providing internet and AI from space, beaming personalized Ani goonbots into your phone/headset/brain implant in full interactive resolution at any point on Earth's surface.

I think we can do better than that, too.

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anon_qoly said in #5048 25h ago: received

I also don't have any answers, but as the local meditation simp there's a here's a small idea to contribute.

I continue to believe the world needs a Brian Johnson for contemplative practice. American culture is spiritually dead in a way that I want to believe wasn't always the case.

One thesis for how Buddhism spread is that the ethical part of the religion completely pacified talented people, encouraging them to believe that any power-seeking behavior beyond wearing an orange robe and climbing the ladder in at your Buddhist temple was unethical and bad. Elites would, of course, want their populations to believe this. And in fact, the Buddhist memeplex was incredibly valuable for the non-elites, who were left being ethical, happy people and rather than rioting in the streets.

Maybe there is room for a Christian mystic movement that sweeps the South? Maybe led by tech elites who are meditation-pilled? Mega-churches that actually work?

Or maybe yoga is the answer? If one isn't to recover the churches, maybe the yoga studios?

Just musings. Mostly without direction. I guess this is an attempt to fan continued discussion about a religious movement in >>5046.

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zara said in #5050 23h ago: received

>>5048

> Mega-churches that actually work?

Yes, this is an interesting prompt. Clearly there is latent desire that's currently being met in the most crass and retarded way possible, bottom up, by cartoon shysters like Joel Osteen.

All successful elites in history had a religious vision that they communicated to their people. Ancient Greek city-states worshipped particular gods in rival cults of devotion. Franco made Spain measurably more Catholic, from ~50% weekly church attendance at the start of his regime to ~75% by the end. Even non-authoritarian effective elites still have a driving religious impulse. Jefferson considered the Virginia Declaration of Religious Freedom (which disestablished the state church and explicitly permitted freedom of religion) one of his key accomplishments; yet he also said "I trust there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." The American founders believed in a particular vision of Providence that they worked to spread.

The Communists form an interesting exception that proves the rule. In their muscular growth stage, the Bolsheviks forcefully promoted state atheism. Notice how this enforced vacuum completely failed to generate any lasting inspiration or devotion. China carries that torch today... and it leaves them, as Thiel memorably put it, "weirdly autistic" and "profoundly uncharismatic". What exactly is the Chinese civic religion? Domestically, it's the China dream, a deeply materialistic ethnonationalist comeback arc narrative. It doesn't even try to inspire anyone who is not Chinese. But at least it's something. The Chinese elites do have a driving religious vision, even if it's "state atheism with Chinese characteristics", that works well enough at home.

Meanwhile in the West, the current generation of elites believe in some post-protestant kumbayah fusion of heckin-good-person-ism. They are decrepit because they have no religious vision at all. They carry within themselves a kind of inactivated-virus vaccine form of Unitarianism, it's modern UU neutered form. The church of "in this house we believe".

So what replaces this?

1. Our Brazilian friends make a strong case for a modernized form of Roman Catholicism. It has the benefit of being ancient, beautiful, and resistant to the worst mutations of Christianity and postchristianity. This way makes the most sense in areas that, like Brazil, are historically and culturally Catholic.

2. @gotzendammerung still owes us his take as promised in >>3288

3. As for >>5048 ... I will respectfully doubt that the answer is "yoga" or anything like that. The problem with these California hippy neoreligious tendencies is that they're all framed as essentially self-improvement projects. Oh, "do this practice" and you will have achieve jhana, you will stay flexible, you'll have better sleep. What's in it for ME?Nothing wrong with that per se but it's on the same plane as dietary advice... fundamentally pedestrian. Not up to the task of upward-looking divine inspiration.

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jewishman said in #5051 19h ago: received

I think quality thinking on AI and technology in general is lacking, especially in English-language intellectual circles. There is no philosophy of technology in any prominent American political tendency.

From my experience, promoters say, "People I like will make a lot of money from it (and maybe I will someday, too)," and detractors say, "People I like will make less money because of it (and maybe I will someday, too)." Some people will make a lot of money in financial markets, or figure out how to sell AI consumer products; and some people will lose their bullshit jobs. Technology is a series of speculative propositions. Bet on the right thing, and you'll make it out fine.

Although promotional materials for various tech world advances will sometimes lay out social or economic benefits they intend to deliver, there's otherwise not much space given to seriously considering what it's all for. What do you think it's for?

If it is for something—whatever that might be—the obvious first step seems to be determining what that is... Put a bunch of your friends in a (virtual) room and come up with some wild goals. And then create a community that can support itself and work toward those goals, rather than hunting for something to speculate on (speculate as long as it earns you cash to support ongoing work, of course). I think this would probably look something like the Ars Industrialis program for an economy of contribution + open-source teams + radical cell—a way to circulate knowledge and creativity and material resources through a community with a common goal, a way to step outside of speculation, a way to find allies, a way to have philosophical conversations about technology itself... But this can take many forms...

That's my thinking on this.

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anon_gisy said in #5052 6h ago: received

>>5048
Buddhism is great practice and can reliably fill the kind of "spiritual void" that shows up for the modern democratic subject, but it's not something that naturally lends itself towards political utilization, especially not on the right. People talk about the vajrayana as a "based" buddhism but even that when you dig in a little is pretty egalitarian and anti-hierarchical. Rinzai Zen could be a great addition to a SS-style cultic rightoid order, but I don't think it can progress to any kind of mass movement thing.

>>5050
>modernized form of Roman Catholicism
Yeah sure, as long as we acknowledge we're shoveling slop for the drooling masses

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landposting said in #5053 6h ago: received

>>5051
Like I said in >>5033, Palladium is capable of stepping in to fill this void, but it'll take real intellectual work to make something genuinely useful. Any 140 IQ anon can spew out some essays on utilizing AI for the Right or for Human Actualization or for Based Fascism, but to really understand and channel the essence of current AI/cybernetic technology requires some pretty serious thinking that so far it seems only the Rationalists have even attempted (and failed, obviously, because they're rationalists). Kinda crazy that beyond X and sofiechan this work just isn't being done.

>If it is for something—whatever that might be—the obvious first step seems to be determining what that is... Put a bunch of your friends in a (virtual) room and come up with some wild goals. And then create a community that can support itself and work toward those goals, rather than hunting for something to speculate on (speculate as long as it earns you cash to support ongoing work, of course). I think this would probably look something like the Ars Industrialis program for an economy of contribution + open-source teams + radical cell—a way to circulate knowledge and creativity and material resources through a community with a common goal, a way to step outside of speculation, a way to find allies, a way to have philosophical conversations about technology itself
Agree completely, if this was a sane world we'd have some of the think-tank institutional momentum in DC channeled into AI theory, as well as private money funneled into Leverage Research style private research groups.

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zara said in #5055 6h ago: received

> Rinzai Zen is a major school of Zen Buddhism focusing on sudden enlightenment (kensho) through rigorous discipline, meditation, and specifically the use of koans (paradoxical riddles).

This is Panda Express tier meme territory. You say some little riddle "and in that moment, the student was enlightened." THAT is your estoteric based "cultic order"?

While the religion of Michelangelo and Teilhard is "slop".

With Westerners like these, who needs immigrants?

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anon_gisy said in #5057 5h ago: received

>>5055
>While the religion of Michelangelo and Teilhard is "slop"
Roman Catholicism is not a political platform for hard-right political action in the year of our Lord 2026, just look at the Vatican! No Catholic institution is going to support internment camps for illegal aliens and subversives, it's ridiculous. Even the right-wing Catholics are uncomfortable with DHS making hype videos of deportations as it's "too cruel."

>You say some little riddle "and in that moment, the student was enlightened"
If you think this is what Zen is about you then you truly are a moron. If you can't deal with even the slightest bit of Oriental vocabulary, try reading Meister Eckhart's German lectures, they're a good primer on mysticism for those who don't want to bother with the Asian non-dual traditions.

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landposting said in #5058 5h ago: received

>>5055
>>5057
Squabbling about which religion is better in the middle of the takeoff to the singularity is imbecilic, both of you are NGMI

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zara said in #5060 5h ago: received

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Lol I agree with this actually. We've strayed from the mission. The point of this thread is to discuss how a new, reality-based elite can succeed given that we are in the takeoff.

Decoupling from specific traditional religions, I do think the larger question of inspiration is important. If we want the 100m most productive Americans to really believe in the technocapital future heart and soul, there needs to be a coherent north star that we are collectively working towards. In the American context this north star certainly cannot be "state Catholicism" or anything like that, but rather some version of the Frontier that we, our children and grandchildren can explore and enjoy.

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anon_pewy said in #5062 4h ago: received

>>5044
I used to think exactly as you do. It was very obvious to me (and still is), as it is obvious to you, that AI is one of the most powerful technologies ever invented, and it will be the source of most power in the world going forward. Embracing it seems therefore self-evidently obvious as a rational course of action.

But after examining things more deeply, I don't think that the AI 21st Century timeline ends well for people like you and me. I think that it will lead to acceleration of the same trends that we've already been experiencing for the past ~150 years. LLMs are not qualitatively different than previous forms of technocapital. They're more of the same.

Technocapital is not our ally. I'm not suggesting that anyone work against AI research and adoption. You can't stop an already rolling juggernaut. But on an individual level, as intelligent and sophisticated people, it would serve us and those around us well to keep in mind that our differences with technocapital are existential. It is we humans who serve as a means to an end for technocapital, not the other way around. Never forget that. We will never be its master.

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xenophon said in #5067 3h ago: received

>>5053 >>5033
>The people thinking seriously are ... 3) the vaguely EA people working in and around the frontier labs (Dario, AI 2027, Demis, Dwarkesh, roon, etc.) who are very technically competent but maybe drink their own kool-aid ...

The great problem with them is that they are seriously ignorant of the relevant microeconomics, e.g., the diffusion of technology and the Jevons effect. Worse, when these factors are pointed out to them, e.g., by Tyler Cowen, they become dismissive, claiming that AGI makes those factors irrelevant. When empirical evidence to the contrary is presented, they scratch their heads about a "capabilities overhang," but concede nothing. At root, there is serious magical thinking in their approach to the impacts of AGI.

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