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How would you organize a better map?... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.3 4.3

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OP, I agree with everything in your post, and I think it's very important to think about the world in this way. You might remember me from a relatively recent thread in which you expressed more or less this same set of ideas. Can you clarify if you are try... 4w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.9 2.9

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For better or worse, that kind of energy has faded from the Earth and it's not coming back. I might even go so far as to say that the "Revolutionary Man" or the "masculine totalitarian" no longer exists as a biological archetype. The Interwar years were, a... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.6 7.6

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I think this is the most relevant conversation to be had and it's what gets missed among those waiting for Caesar. The same way the archetypal soylennial we know and cherish is an uncommon specimen circa 1920, professional revolutionaries and scarred Junke... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.0 5.0

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Yup. Landian techno-nihilism is interesting and fun for us big brain people to think and theorycel and chat about, but ultimately it's not prescriptive, so its usefulness is limited.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 14.6 14.6

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Fair enough. The "self-evident" vs "leap of faith" debate is missing the point. The real thing is our disagreement about whether the instincts need any higher framework of justification. I see where you are coming from and I agree that the instincts causal... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 13.0 13.0

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doesn't seem so, though perhaps https://cyclonotrope.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/unconditional-accelerationism-as-antipraxis/ gives a more nuanced picture here:... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.5 0.5

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This also calls into question the assertion made in >>3870 by gotzendammerung:... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.8 8.8

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I don't think Christianity can be understood in terms of thermodynamics. 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.9 1.9

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Maybe I was too flippant in my first post. My point is this: there’s extreme population density across the Global South, to an extent that most in the US and EU have no intuition for. There are at least 40 cities in India that you’ve never heard of but... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7 0.9 0.9

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What I'm wondering is where do these people go after graduating? Avoid getting deported? Low-wage fast-food? 4 people in a room? Nepo hired into companies? People tell me they exist at these degree mills, but what happens afterwards is anyone's guess.... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.9 0.9

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Felix Baumgartner is another example of this sort of nobility of spirit. Died just recently, also taken by Gnon. He was a good example of the more continental european aristocratic style of western spirit, and made multiple comments about the dangers... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.2 9.2

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No; it is a simulacra not because it doesn’t require traits that we normally call virtues, but because it does not attain desirable ends. You may say that we should admire “virtue” wherever we seem to find it, but that would require a great deal of p... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.8 2.8

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I take Gnon to be the highest level pattern implicit in the laws of physics, but not practically derivable from them.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.7 10.7

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As I mentioned in the other thread a serious worldview must be backed by more than mere assertion. On what basis and to what extent is group self-interest a valid principle? If we're not caring to actually back this up and enforce worldview rigor around an... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.7 10.7

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More pointedly, i dont think higher man or homeric man or anything like that is about absolute competence or anything like that. Its an interesting lens to think through but the reality is more about types, and types are about niche. Homeric man is dead be... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.7 8.7

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Well the point of OP is that there is no natural or physical favored concept of higher life. That said there is a sort of notion of depth of the overall stack of life, the overall complexity. But that places parasites and cancers “higher” on the stack ... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.2 5.2

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*rips bong*. Yeah man, science is only now catching up to what eastern mystics have known for 28000 years, man.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.5 8.5

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Yeah, sorry, this is bullshit. 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.4 3.4

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Nice post. What's both painful and hilarious about cerebral types is our Discovery of Truths through rhetorical means, when truth is both invisible and exercised without misstep by the surfer, big wall climber, backcountry skier, etc.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.2 10.2

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Of course you ~can~. My argument is that such divergence is a symptom of misconstruing the terminal goals. When you identify proper terminal goals, even though they will be outside of pure vitality, they will not be contrary to it, and will harmonize with ... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.1 5.1

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Extropianism is hopelessly mired in bad 1990s scifi transhumanist ideology. But "extropy" itself appears to be just a somewhat laden synonym for negative entropy, which according to its creator (schrodinger) is just intended to be a more open-ended and les... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.6 3.6

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I agree, and think this is the weakest part of the essay. It feels like a contortion to place Land subordinate to Plato when the more natural and correct thing to say is that he is a modernizer of Heraclitus.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.1 11.1 0.8 0.8

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OP of essay here.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.9 10.9

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So let's imagine future sofiechan in 3d cyberspace. I imagine it as a city one can explore. Tags are neighborhoods. Threads or posts are buildings. Position is calculated by linguistic topical proximity. This could be styled with infinite character like so... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.7 6.7

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The right abstraction for text itself, as we have figured out over many hundreds of years, is glyphs on a page. The page is a thin, flat featureless surface on which text and images are laid out. It ideally has minimal physicality of its own except maybe t... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.1 5.1

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An off-topic comment but important to bring up: I saw the best minds of my generation get nerdsniped for years by category theory. Complexity theory, especially after attending Charles’ talk, seems to me to be another one of these ‘highly ontological u... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.0 11.0

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You're on to something, but I think B-SAT is the wrong problem to work with. If you want to apply modern deep learning to an NP-complete problem that can serve as general target for problem translations, you want a problem that has a natural metric on solu... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.0 5.0

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That's a very Whiggish view of human ideas. It's also wrong (to an extent) since there were plenty of pre-Christian pagan philosophers. Hellenist polytheists invented philosophy as a concept, although many of the ancient Greek influential philosophers did ... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.4 7.4

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Rowsell is a reconstructionist and I believe leans Platonist in his theology, for what it's worth. Reconstructionism, at least in a British context, inevitably feels at least somewhat like LARPing because ancient Anglo-Saxon culture does not have much in c... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.9 4.9

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What bothers me in these AI alignment debates is the bizarrely abstract idea of intelligence--as if it’s some pure, disembodied will-to-power or will-to-intelligence, with no ecology, no lineage. The orthogonality thesis is especially guilty: it imagines... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.7 11.7

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I call this "faith in being." It is the primordial form of faith. One may or may not have more particular faith in particular things (revelations, ancestors, familial relations) but one must have faith in being, or one will be lost in nihilism. 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.0 5.0

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I'm inclined to agree. There is a great difficulty in bridging the gap in background and technical knowledge between people who take the Dharma seriously, meditate, and attempt to reproduce certain mind states, and those who are interested and charitable b... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.6 9.6

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This is a good way to think about it. We set our children off in directions we are optimistic about, while also celebrating that they may end up finding somewhere else to be more amenable to life. I'll add a few things to your picture:... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.5 4.5

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Reading Jim is like reading Aristotle. How he is able to condense this stuff so efficiently, I don't know. All I can say is God bless the 6sigma R1bers. I used to read a lot more of his stuff, but I feel like it's lately been verging a bit more into boomer... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.5 4.5

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You should check out THE ART AND THOUGHT OF HERACLITUS by Kahn. Lots of commentary on Heraclitus filters his fragments through Aristotle and other later philosopher's interpretation. Kahn attempts a purely textual exegesis which attempts to reconstruct Her... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 12.2 12.2

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These resources are all very good — thank you to everyone who's replied. I think given the tenor so far we should just turn this into a spergathon of posting the best Greek resources. Please continue with hidden gems, forbidden texts, and generally the m... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.1 11.1

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Interesting idea RE "prima facie tautological but compressionally useful," but why would this law/heuristic have any compelling moral force? Why shouldn't one just act as one wishes from instinct in the moment, or follow a virtue ethical framework, or use ... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.6 1.6

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For present purposes, I'll pass over theological debates about Christian revelation, and simply note the sociological fact that actually existing Unitarianism is pure shitlibery. In fact it's among the most shitlib of all Christian-adjacent configurations.... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.4 11.4

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I was very moved by this post and so I went to my local Unitarian church and explained to them all that we have discussed here. They called the police on me. 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.4 11.4

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You are right about these things. I will attempt what you have specified. But i'm still lacking two things: a good hook, and "what's the point". We can be as right as we like about philosophy and so on but if there isn't some actual operational program tha... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.9 2.9

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I think the dopamine binky shortform video crowd is a write off and should be ignored. Writing, specifically essays and forums, remains the most powerful technology for serious socially transformative thought ever invented. We should double down on the wri... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 12.2 12.2

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This 100%, but also I actually do not want to know what sofiechan is. Is any decent social media platform definable? Its indescribability is what lets it hold power over us. Magic is not defined; it is ingraspable.... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.2 9.2

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Tieing it back to the topic in OP, energy rate density is closely related to a lot of the thermodynamics that are used and abused by accelerationists. In many ways that Chaisson article I shared is accelerationist through and through. And on a personal lev... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.8 3.8

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This is the crucial question that Land, Insu, and I fall on the "no" side of and the whole Yudkowskian school is premised on going "yes". This is what i meant by "strong rationality" in OP, or at least it's a direct consequence/requirement of strong ration... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.1 10.1

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We need a school of true anthropology. 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.4 1.4

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Most of what you're saying sounds interesting but you've dismissed the entire post by complaining about English philosophy. I don't think there's anything wrong with a truth-seeking approach that begins with basic observations and arrives at more abstract ... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.8 7.8

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Some people won't believe in the inherent goodness of existence until it's been autistically proven to them with English philosophizing a hundred times over. That's fine. For the rest of us, we don't need to be persuaded of the inherent goodness of existen... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.4 1.4

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Poul Anderson is good generally. He worked broadly across science fiction and fantasy.... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.1 2.1

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God is our fundamental reality, but not necessarily in this life. i think pantheism results in impiety, hubris and absurdity. But I'm not opposed to the idea that God is the fundamental reality in distinction to our relative reality.... 7mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.6 3.6

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Michael Levin actually compares the developmental process, which has to cope with all manner of error, insult, variation, and adversarial action, to a variational autoencoder, so it's not like we're extremely far off from the right questions, but the cultu... 7mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.3 2.3

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Octopi are good evidence of what I call "the worm mind hypothesis": full general intelligence emerges VERY early in evolutionary history, with worms or earlier. All later elaborations are just scale of different types of compute, and various instincts that... 8mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.2 7.2

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Correcting this mistake is nontrivial. To simply cease the war on faith and superstition outright is to cease a major part of higher thought, and to give up our faith in the power of thought which has served us so well so far. It doesn't pass basic scrutin... 9mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.3 7.3

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The “savage” is not an archetype of innocence but a primitive codebase—feral algorithms of survival that replicate themselves endlessly, unburdened by the illusions of transcendence. 9mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.0 1.0

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I don't think it's coincidental that all successful and long-lasting belief systems conceive of man as primarily an instrument that achieves teleological fulfillment through adherence to divine will. Even when I was a kid high on the crack cocaine of Richa... 10mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.6 7.6

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Thank you. Sounds like Lasker goes on the infinitely expanding list of books i ought to read. Any new angles on Gnon theology are highly valuable at this point in our program. 10mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.9 2.9

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Who is that? Sounds like something from the Thucydides. 10mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.9 2.9

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Glorious. Right on. With respect to the other transcendentals, I've recently been thinking the way we should launch this philosophical movement is radicalizing around the natural law ("The Idea") operationalization of Truth. Beauty is very charismatic, but... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.7 4.7

Glorious. Right on. (view hidden) log in to judge received 4.7 4.7