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We've had two years of intellectual development since the inception of this thread by the monosyllabic-nym old ones, so I want to pose a central question I had while reading. Cognitive separatism is necessary, we are actively doing it, it is starting to wo... 23h ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.8 9.8

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Is this just wishful thinking? Can we do some historical analysis and verify that the just falling out reliably happens? And if so, over what timescale? How long must we trust the plan?... 18m ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.4 0.4

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Urbit is a prime illustration of the limits of the theorycel.... 3d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.9 11.9

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I could absolutely imagine this being something real, but as others have pointed out in the Urbit case, architecture astronautics like implementing a Yggdrasil style overlay network must absolutely be entirely abstracted away from the people actually using... 2d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.6 10.6

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Until there's a particularly elegant technical solution one can always fall back on defense-in-depth. It's great that this forum has a nuclear option for handling an influx of noobs or raids or what have you, but the form keeps most of the wrong sort of po... 2d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.8 5.8

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Disagree with this. Many men have achieved impact from appointed office without ever winning an election, often exceeding that of the people who put them there (not to mention outlasting them). Robert Moses is a famous example. And the Chris Rufos of the w... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.4 10.4

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Lee Kuan Yew Thought overlaps with BAP Thought but is more effective in key ways. First, the above--he is not an online edgelord posting about Tibetan supremacy but rather a pragmatic statesman.... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.9 11.9

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We know what BAP means by "the right of the stronger and better" just like we know what Sam Hyde means by "real Americans", but that doesn't make it coherent. I'll apply that same distinction I used in >>3385 between the truth and the political formulas he... 2w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 14.8 14.8

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“And guess what, the US/WEF consensus generally regards him as a hero. This is completely load-bearing--it's why Singapore is well integrated into the Western world, which is the only way for a modern small state to be prosperous and reasonably sovereign... 1w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.5 2.5

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Careful lionizing the majority of shonen-slop anime. Any true student of anime knows the japs have fallen off and have gotten increasingly tied up in uncreative repetition of dumb tropes much as our own "extended marvel cinematic universe" has taken to sim... 2w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.5 5.5

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My understanding is that the biggest cities have always been fertility-negative on average for as long as we've had cities. But you are right that the most civilized types of men are the result of city-related selection. So what's going on? Would first of ... 2w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.9 2.9

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It seems to me like a conflict between industry logic and political logic. Trump is fundamentally a political animal, and he understands his role as building and exercising power through a series of deals with coalitions of the moment. I can't imagine that... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.0 11.0

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Elon losing control of OpenAI supports this. Elon lost to Sam Altman, a highly, highly political player (iiuc the only time he lost big). The OpenAI coup by Ilya and the board was largely unsuccessful due to how political Sam is; he collected on all the fa... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 12.0 12.0

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Which is to say, the scope within which Elon is successful is quite circumscribed. The federal government is nothing like a company in which one has controlling ownership. Not even for the president, much less for someone he has appointed. I doubt Elon cou... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.1 3.1

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The elimination of the upper class as a self-conscious, self-contained entity is definitely part of it, both in Europe and in certain parts of America. You did have the transition from an aristocracy based on the ownership of productive land towards a more... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.1 7.1

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I think you are missing his more fundamental point. To (fittingly) put your point about "civilization" in analogous terms: Even though there isn't a single coherent definition of a term like "chair", it is still useful to try and whittle down a meaning of ... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.1 7.1

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I don't think that I am missing the point nor do I disagree with you. It is necessary both to be abstract and concrete. You see pundits talking about high minded ideals like "defending Western civilization", making sure "Civilization doesn't collapse", pre... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.9 3.9

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I think the key problem is that in mr Burja's "empire theory" terminology, you are describing a decentralized declining empire, but what we actually have is a centralized declining empire. In decentralized decline, pieces break off and become free of the f... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.1 10.1

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We see it already with today's tech companies, to an extent: the US government shuts down nuclear power plants while GOOGL and MSFT plan on building their own nuclear power plants, facilitating their respective AGI plans.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.3 3.3

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Nice post, these are the right questions to be asking. Mao definitely cooked up something new by running a version of Marxism that worked and inventing novel military strategy. At the same time though, I think 90% of the picture can be described by the CCP... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.2 1.2

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Sure, sounds worth writing. You should go for it.... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.6 11.6

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I want to go on 2 different slightly tangents: (1) on the 'hard' vs 'soft' migration assimilation policies, with a contrast between a muscular assimilationist Singapore and an inclusionary Europe/West of 2015. (2) on the gender / age dynamics of immigratio... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.5 2.5

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I am very skeptical of accelerationist hopes where there is some kind of social-political reset or resurgence of the virtuous possibilities via metaphorical bankruptcy of "the system". I think de Gobineau's demographic hypothesis on civilization is more pl... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.8 8.8

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https://german.yale.edu/sites/default/files/meister-eckhart-maurice-o-c-walshe-bernard-mcginn-the-complete-mystical-works-of-meister-eckhart-the-crossroad-publishing-company-2009.pdf 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.1 4.1

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We see this on the street every day. It's obvious the big demographic power of European civilization from the early 20th century is going and gone. Largely this was predictable and predicted a hundred years ago (Stoddard's "Rising Tide" was published 1920)... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.3 9.3

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I wrote quite a lengthy reply and then accidentally deleted it. FML. I'm not rewriting that at 5 am.... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.7 4.7

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Well i agree with most of the OP essay. Its a bit rationalist and striver coded but of course thats where the smarties are. Let me try to give you some more advice not on there that i could have used, or did use to unique effect.... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.7 9.7

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Here's a piece of advice: if you haven't already, drop everything you are doing, fly to Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia or some other hellhole, and spend a month there to take it all in. 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.7 2.7 2.9 2.9

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The Trump administration can complain about the filibuster once they've actually proposed legislation. Any legislation.... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.6 8.6

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this 1999 stormfront framing of the issue is weak and vulgar. It presumes way too much from grievance group ethics and just tries to get the white man in on the moral patient grift. The real issue here is european civilization as a transcendent higher thin... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.1 7.1

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This feels abstract to the point of uselessness. If there is a supplanting power it will come from men, not "the internet" and will not be different in kind from what has happened before.... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.1 8.1 0.8 0.8

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Ah sorry, I meant a migration **from the physical to the digital world.... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.8 0.8

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I think even acts of intuitive human intelligence are often difficult to explain to other people; perhaps the metaphor of Cassandra is a good reminder how genius is often recognized far too late:... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.8 0.8

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Well guess what, it didn't end on the Korean Peninsula and so it's actually still a stalemate. New ideas are needed.... 5mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.8 0.8

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Saw this the day it came out and immediately read the whole thing. Thought the interview was great, Yarvin did a fine job of laying out the case for monarchy, debunking a few key Cathedral narratives, as well as shred up many common arguments for democracy... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.0 7.0

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Its the election-related preference cascade. With trump winning as hard as he did, the mercenaries realized they would have to work with trump, the left realized they didn’t know how to oppose the right anymore, and the right realized they wouldn't be op... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.5 6.5

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You make some good points, anon. Curtis himself notes in the interview that the outer right agrees far more on the diagnosis of the incumbent regime than on the prescription for a new regime, and that even most of the people he is closest to don't agree wi... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2

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Monarchy in Yarvin's sense (per OP) need not be hereditary and typically is not.... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.5 5.5

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All of these companies are highly selective in their hiring. Part of what makes the cult work is the kind of people the employees are in the first place.... 9mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.5 7.5

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This is a good point. Mere selectivity and a particular culture isn't enough to work in the way I'm speculating will become more normal. The key is going to be ability to actually reproduce human capital, not ability to attract and shape. I'll believe Spac... 9mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.8 5.8

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Yeah good observations but unfortunately I think some people are just locked in to trusting whatever is official. If it's got contradictions, they don't pursue them or fret about them. They are not philosophers. When they do pursue them, they end up in "al... 13mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.6 6.6

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As an example of an institution that is attempting to generate a semblance of autocthonic legitimacy from relatively non-elitist material, see https://www.mcucoop.com/ 11mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.8 0.8

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Nevada is the open road radicalized and extended into a whole state. This actually makes it quite pleasant. Almost everything is public land, and underpopulated enough that you can do whatever you want. You can just drive off into the bush and camp, and ev... 13mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.2 4.2

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Some good stuff here on the ideological and intellectual content of Effective Altruism, and how that package fit the zeitgeist. That's half the story.... 13mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.5 11.5

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Right, you can't serious probe and weigh these questions without getting into questions of ends that are ultimately not utilitarianism.... 13mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.3 6.3

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I honestly don’t see much change over the past few years. Twitter was pretty good but not amazing then, and it’s pretty good but not amazing now. My group chats are much like they were before, maybe a hair sharper. What differences are you guys complai... 13mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.1 8.1

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Instead of being nostalgic, it occurred to me that I might give an example of a platform that has survived the social apocalypse...... 13mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.0 5.0

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Glorious. Right on. With respect to the other transcendentals, I've recently been thinking the way we should launch this philosophical movement is radicalizing around the natural law ("The Idea") operationalization of Truth. Beauty is very charismatic, but... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.2 4.2

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Thanks, that's a good read. I still wish I could find more detail about how he secured the loyalty of his security forces and police and got them to "defect" in a certain sense from the previous regime as well as from the gangs. My understanding is that in... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.0 1.0

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The better known version of this thesis is Burnham's Managerial State, which many think would more precisely be called the administrative state. That some version of this is true is pretty uncontroversial in our circles. Calling it "fascism" is a kind of p... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.1 2.1

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The current curation system is really cool and seems to work well so far, and the voucher system seems like a great idea for onboarding new users, but there still is a core issue of being shut down. Unironically Urbit could provide help here. It is complet... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.7 6.7

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1. Urbit is not designed to be uncensorable, nor is it particularly useful for our purposes.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.6 5.6

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Arguably we got mathematical science from the greeks, but I'd love to see a good historical analysis of how that happened. What greek texts were Newton and his predecessors reading? 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.2 4.2

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I think this may be the core error in your thesis. Mathematicians have alway been a very odd lot, very different from those inclined to political philosophy, for example.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.0 8.0

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That is to say, if everyone who can be good is attempting to be good, then we need no other plans. If God is real then He will guide us; if not, then our efforts are already in vain. 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.8 0.8

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Foucault can productively be read as a find-grained theorist of power, in its structures and channels.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.1 9.1

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I must say, his methods for resisting power are intended for the mentally ill and homosexuals, if those should be separated, but his conceptions of those categories are different from those popularly used at present, and they can still be adapted for other... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.5 5.5

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Agreed, the cover is what provides security, and provides a barrier to external threats (impeccability). For an internet community, especially considering possible threat models, this sort of barrier is far stronger than material security, say, in the form... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.2 4.2

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In everyone's favorite family-owned city-state, one sometimes encounters locals with recognizably Portuguese family names such as Pereira, Theseira (Teixeira), Gomes. I only considered the origin of these names much later when exploring the legacy of Roman... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.9 6.9

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Indeed. The difference between what seems possible according to the world of ideas and what actually is possible is potentially large and always the essence of the game. This is why I'm not sure we can put too much stock in the "it can't reference or be mi... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.2 4.2

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Nice trips. For me, I take a hard line on drugs of all kinds. I don't believe they are ever a good idea. Drugs basically just temporarily destroy part of your physiological or psychological balance. If you're depressed, there is some physiological or circu... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.9 3.9

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