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Pretty sure homoerotic behavior (whether involving actual sex or not) does not contribute to, but poisons and degrades, male groups and friendships.... 2w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 14.0 14.0

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Men used to form friendships through hunting, building, fighting, and working together—activities that were necessary for survival and building anything meaningful. You trusted other men because your livelihood depended on it. Sure, some abused that trus... 2d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.6 2.6

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Let's do the opposite of that. An animal raised with dignity, slaughtered openly in the name of the gods, eaten with austerity and pride. 5d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 12.9 12.9

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The salts of ramen noodles bear resemblance to dried blood fond from roasting primal cuts without much water in the pot.... 4d ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.9 1.9

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I was too unserious in this post and unfortunately that killed its legitimacy. I was reminded of it by >>3722. There remains a big question at the center of any of our serious political thought, one which Nick Land loosely gestures at in the analysis above... 2w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.1 9.1

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I mostly don't disagree but this kind of thinking in particular is the "prussian insanity" referred to by >>3896 that caused NS to lose. We've have discussions before about how they had no external legitimacy even if it was internally coherent, because the... 1w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.1 7.1

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The example from the text about Rodolphe Salis could be a good counterpoint to this. Yes, there is no tastemaking aristocracy. Yes, the upper echelons of the merchant class is dominated by meme brained spreadsheet maximizers but this doesn't mean cultural ... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.2 8.2

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Of course I agree with this. It can be rephrased thus: it is on the artists and intellectuals themselves to fund the cultural restoration, because the capitalists aren't going to help until we've already won. At best they will buy pieces once their merit i... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.8 5.8

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Those examples are all textual and also in the context of modern archeology, which as BLT says is transient. It's not that it doesn't draw on archeology for access to texts, it's that archeology as a whole field isn't sustained by that process, and the soc... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.5 7.5

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Yes, the general pattern has been that civilizations rise and fall, but technology gets better over time. There are local tech regressions like the Bronze Age Collapse and the fall of Rome—but even the darkest of the post-Roman Dark Ages had much better ... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.5 4.5

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Instead of suggesting changes on the national level, which I don't believe any of us have control over, let's turn this into practical advice for people reading the thread. If we should ban seed oils, we should not consume seed oils, if the FDA should end ... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 11.8 11.8

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Ray peat website has best articles on PUFA aka seed oils.... 3w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 0.2 0.2

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Wordy and pretty mid article. The sort of wordcel political commentariat slop I dislike reading. But there are always interesting questions amongst the slop that we can continue discussing. Here's one: does Elon's outburst deserve harsh political punishmen... 4w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.8 9.8

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I'd be happy to take the opposite side of that bet. A far more obvious explanation is that Elon is a bit autistic, and while very high IQ and high energy, he's also lacking in practical wisdom in many areas, including politics.... 4w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.2 10.2

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I would've recommended Bradford, but that sourcebook also looks great. Anything with Perry Miller's name on it is quite worth reading, especially something like a compendium. He's a giant. Skimming through the table of contents, I'd actually be quite inter... 4w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.2 6.2

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This was depressingly lucid. Canada is fucking toast, in all likelihood it will never recover. Your post is more like a post-mortem. It's consistent with >>2964 in the Canadian context. Brazil to the South, Brazil inside, Brazil to the North. The two most ... 4w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.6 10.6

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Its a good question, I'd need to think about it. I have never followed Canadian politics closely but there's little hope except for Alberta and Quebec to gain some form of Nationhood ... the rest of the state doesn't exist as a nation in any meaningful sen... 4w ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.6 9.6

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This is degrowth.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.2 10.2

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My understanding is that the biggest cities have always been fertility-negative on average for as long as we've had cities. But you are right that the most civilized types of men are the result of city-related selection. So what's going on? Would first of ... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.9 2.9

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Very interesting anon, I think you are on to something. However I'd like a point of clarification. You say that... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7

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An important feature of the theoretical approach in The Evolution of Civilizations is that it looks at changes over very long timescales, and glosses over anything which doesn't endure for at least half a century.... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.1 9.1

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**Background on evolution by punctuated equilibrium**... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.7 10.7

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Another interesting paper investigating the genetic effect of capital punishment in medieval and early modern Europe. It show that the large drop in murder rate from the 14th to 20th century was, at least in part, a result of genetic selection against prop... 1mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.3 6.3

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What explicitly happened is that Western elites decided on a different megaproject: global race communism. The "Great Society" and "Global Development." That is where all this wasted money is going. Today, you can call this a political arrangement that can... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 15.6 15.6

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As a matter of historical fact, the communism part came first, then later the race part was added, and then the global part was added. 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.5 3.5

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The elimination of the upper class as a self-conscious, self-contained entity is definitely part of it, both in Europe and in certain parts of America. You did have the transition from an aristocracy based on the ownership of productive land towards a more... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.5 7.5

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To answer the question directly: no. Three arguments: the historical roots of the west in Christianity, the racial character of Islam, and the untruth of the magical claims in the Mosaic religions make it inappropriate as the religion of the restored west.... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.4 6.4

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This will become especially true if we do end up with low-grade speciation from either some kind of genetic tampering or selective breeding between the elite. Already, you could argue that selection mechanisms in the West have led to a sort of situation li... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.5 4.5

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Let's not confuse relative changes with absolute numbers. For example, that map makes it look like California might have been competitive, but in fact Harris won California by a huge margin, 58% to Trump's 38%. 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.9 9.9

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ah sneaky sneaky. Nevermind deepfakes. We have the New York Times. So this is not absolute change, but relative to overall shift. So that means that the blue shift in the rural areas is fake, but the red shift in cities is real and even bigger than they ar... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.5 4.5

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In the context of Nietzsche's essay, "historicality" refers precisely to when a civilization/people emerges from acting freely, or, uninhibited by a variety of historical phenomena—ancestral worship, rigid moral tradition, and so forth. Perhaps in other ... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.0 4.0

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Although note that the Greeks chiefly enslaved fellow Greeks. (Often from other cities, but not always.) The basis of their slavery was not primarily ethnic. 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.1 8.1

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yeah greek slavery was often something different from what we do. They had a very different ethnic/caste/class system. Like I said, we need more words. 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.5 3.5

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Mostly agreed but I think this goes beyond an academic exercise. I think there are universal structures that one can discover in history, and this applies to the concept of civilization (which I tried to draw out explicitly and implicitly), which can then ... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.9 6.9

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I don't think that I am missing the point nor do I disagree with you. It is necessary both to be abstract and concrete. You see pundits talking about high minded ideals like "defending Western civilization", making sure "Civilization doesn't collapse", pre... 2mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.8 3.8

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Peter Turchin develops Ibn Khaldoun's concept of asabiya (roughly social cohesion--the feeling of solidarity and capacity for collective action) which in agrarian states he claims is cultivated on meta ethnic frontiers, that is border regions of establishe... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 12.2 12.2

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I have skimmed it but will give it a more thorough read. While I appreciate Spengler (I understand Yockey has a spenglerian approach) I don't know how illuminating he is for our time. There is a failure to explain what makes cultures/civilizations tick (wh... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.8 4.8

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I think the key problem is that in mr Burja's "empire theory" terminology, you are describing a decentralized declining empire, but what we actually have is a centralized declining empire. In decentralized decline, pieces break off and become free of the f... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.9 10.9

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We see it already with today's tech companies, to an extent: the US government shuts down nuclear power plants while GOOGL and MSFT plan on building their own nuclear power plants, facilitating their respective AGI plans.... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 3.7 3.7

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I am very skeptical of accelerationist hopes where there is some kind of social-political reset or resurgence of the virtuous possibilities via metaphorical bankruptcy of "the system". I think de Gobineau's demographic hypothesis on civilization is more pl... 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 9.2 9.2

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https://german.yale.edu/sites/default/files/meister-eckhart-maurice-o-c-walshe-bernard-mcginn-the-complete-mystical-works-of-meister-eckhart-the-crossroad-publishing-company-2009.pdf 3mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.0 4.0

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That sounds plausible to an economist, but "opportunity cost" is about what you value and how you narrativize the alternatives. It's not quite as simple as "people would rather have money than children", it's rather a whole lifestyle and worldview they've ... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 10.0 10.0

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Thank you for the breath of fresh air. I wholly agree that status is not the most important factor. The economic arguments seem completely unconvincing as it doesn't explain how in terms of "leisure time, space, and childcare help" the average person was m... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.4 8.4

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There's a failure of transitivity. Whether DST is under Russian influence isn't the important fact. In itself, that tells us nothing about Facebook, which is what people actually care about. You suggested that:... 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.7 6.7

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Lol that's not a argument. I'm invested in our best efforts to understand all the relevant bits of reality, and you narrative doesn't contribute to that. 4mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 6.3 6.3

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The more dense a population the more cliquish people become. This is due to the degree of separation involved. So think a highschool with 500 kids vs highschool with 1000 kids. In the former compared to the latter, within a certain grade everyone knows eve... 6mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.2 1.2

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There would also be a complicated quasi-religious system put in place. He is against feudal superstitions, and imagines instead a system of belief based on aesthetics. He calls for the construction of temples devoted to the cultivation and worship of aesth... 14mo ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 4.3 4.3 1.3 1.3

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The ultimate core of a industrial nation is a group of ultranationalistic radicals who are able to coordinate the nation's industrial capacity. Everything else is secondary. 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.2 1.2

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I think there is a tendency in parts of the dissident right to look for some "outside" source to blame for woke ideas, and I often wondered whether or not they are correct. But the discussion of the ideology of the Round Table group made it clear to me tha... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.6 1.6

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I am not certain intelligence in the anthropocentric sense is what makes for civilization. I think dolphins are missing specialization among themselves. In this way, I’d see beehives or ant colonies as more likely to hit on the special sauce than dolphin... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 8.3 8.3

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There will be space for many different species and subspecies of cetaceans, and therefore many kinds of dolphin culture, in our civilization. For instance, the Yangtze River dolphin and Indo-Pacific humpback dolphin occupy different ecological niches. Resp... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 2.3 2.3

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There are two kinds of democracy that need to be refuted: most urgently of course this lie that western regimes are or even are supposed to be democratic. Lies everywhere must be destroyed, and you are correct that we live under administrative oligarchy le... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.0 5.0

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Agreed, for us the question is probably to develop a fine-grained perspective on these different kinds of power and how to apply the perspective to our needs.... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.2 1.2

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Maybe I'll run a series of threads to read and discuss Tragedy and Hope, or Weapons Systems, depending on interest and on my schedule. Both are big, dense tomes, but rewarding. Who here would be committed enough to do the reading? Anyone have a preference ... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.3 7.3

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I just bought, but have not yet started, Tragedy and Hope, so that one would have my vote. 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 1.0 1.0

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I was going to say the English Civil War seemed like one of the first big blows for liberalism. The Peace also seems relevant. In any case the point stands: maybe study the historical genealogy of our own system. But if I can refine the prompt somewhat, I'... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 7.7 7.7

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I wanted to select OP's refinement of the prompt for the newcomers. My interpretation of this prompt is that we want to determine what is important to us, and I think that would start with understanding what the ideological foundations of our current regim... 1y ago (collapse hidden) log in to judge received 5.3 5.3

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